Hollow Knight

Hollow Knight

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How difficult is the game?
I don't mind hard games but I want a safety net either through cheese or through others helping me, as I want to experience all of the content.

For example in Dark Souls 3 and Elden Ring, I could solo most content but I had to cheese some fights and summon a player to help me in others.

Is the difficulty like Dark Souls, as in dodge, parry and attack, or is it like some games that have 2 billion projectiles on screen and you somehow have to avoid them, and platforming with bad controls as in sliding in ice while the water is rising, traps ahead and the screen is following you?

I don't play platform games and I suck at them, the only platform game I ever beat was an old mario game.

I am thinking about buying the game, and I am hoping if I do well in it and like it, it'll open up a whole genre for me, games I am currently staying away from as I consider them too difficult to even bother with.
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There are not any means for other players to help you directly, it's all entirely singleplayer.

You can cheese most enemies, but the methods of doing so are often obtained later in the game. You can actually skip almost every enemy through various methods and return later if you so wish. All of the hardest challenges are entirely optional, and even the final boss has only one fairly tame phase to get to the easiest ending. If you want more challenge though, hoo boy it is definitely available in spades.

It's not really a bullet hell game where the game is filled with projectiles, save for a couple of attacks from the two toughest bosses. Melee attacks are actually more common than projectiles.

The controls are very responsive, and actually one of the game's strongest points. It is a platforming game, though again the hardest sections are entirely optional. You won't encounter much difficulty from platforming along unless you actively seek out stuff like the Path of Pain.
I want to see everything though, so that means I won't be able to. I'll google path of pain and watch last boss fight and hardest boss, better to watch spoilers than get to the end and never finish it.
Originally posted by mystemacc:
I want to see everything though, so that means I won't be able to. I'll google path of pain and watch last boss fight and hardest boss, better to watch spoilers than get to the end and never finish it.
Fair enough. If you're pretty competent at DS3 and Elden Ring I don't think you'll have trouble with 90% of the game. The last 10% is basically only for people who crave more and just want something else to work towards. Stuff like fighting amped-up versions of the base bosses without taking damage. Not part of the story, essentially. I think that you'd definitely enjoy the game, and be able to work on some of the final challenges more gradually. But take a look for yourself, yeah, see what you think.
Hollow Knight is more of a Dark Souls difficulty. It’s not an annoying platformer with bad controls and a million projectiles…..okay there’s one enemy in the game, but it’s only in the game for a short period then you’ll never have to encounter them again if you don’t want to. Imagine it as a 2D Dark Souls.

The combat is simple. You have your basic nail which can be upgraded with an object called Pale Ore which can be found in a few different spots of the map which will make you of course stronger. There’s also a variety of charms that function like rings from Dark Souls. There’s also spells that you can unlock throughout the game. There’s no parrying.

Cheesing exists kind of. A few charms exist in the game that allow you to cheese some bosses, but those charms can’t usually be used to the best of their ability till very late game. There’s no summoning. There is one quest line that will allow you to have a helped in one specific boss fight, but she’s not really much of a help (she’s a AI and she’s a lot like Onion boy from the DS games).

It’s overall as difficult as Dark Souls to me. You should give it a shot since it’s on sale. Have fun and good luck.
Originally posted by mystemacc:
I want to see everything though, so that means I won't be able to. I'll google path of pain and watch last boss fight and hardest boss, better to watch spoilers than get to the end and never finish it.
Don't do that. You'll get to the final boss if you commit enough. Unless you are really bad at gaming, if you want to, you'll get there. If you get spoilers, you are missing the chance of fully experience an awesome game. Trust me, the final fight is great, you won't enjoy it the same if you know what happens.
You say you want to see everything, but if that's the premise for every single player, the game would be a walking simulator. Better watch a film. But you don't seem to lack the ability to be able to beat this game. If you managed well with games generally considered hard, you'll manage with this one. It only takes patience and practice.

And as for Path of Pain, watching the video will be totally meaningless. You only get a glimpse of lore. You might look for it right now, and won't mean anything. The only thing worth in Path of Pain is the platform challenge itself, is totally optional, it is hidden, they warn you about it at the entrance, there is not even an achievement, they give you nothing in return except for a little bit of lore, so you don't have to endure that unless you are a masochist. You won't miss anything but suffering. Unless you like platforming, but you said you don't.

Trust me, don't spoil this game. You don't have many chances of games like this.
Last edited by MADE IN IRON; Jan 9 @ 8:40pm
Fenix Jan 9 @ 9:32pm 
I originally played this on the switch.
I got 3 of the 5 endings.
I think most People can do the Hollow Knight ending.
The next 2 endings require going thru the White Palace, and if you suck at platforming that is going to suck for you.
The Path of Pain, is a optionally area in the White Palace, and is not required for any of the endings.
and the last 2 endings, the ones I didn't get require doing God Home (it was free DLC that add later) yeah, nah, no thanks, I'm good with the 3 endings I got.
Last edited by Fenix; Jan 9 @ 9:32pm
It's really not that hard. The game is exceptionally "fair" in that everything is very well telegraphed and by simply responding correctly, nothing is needed to be cheesed.

I'd argue that 90%+ of people can complete everything in the game, besides the very last fight in the last expansion, by simply approaching fights calmly and with an attitude of learning, instead of trying to brute force. I'm not a "god gamer", by any means, and there was a few bosses I initially struggled with on my first playthrough, but after a small amount of repetition most of the game is extremely easy now.

The game is built around platforming, but the controls are exceptionally responsive and predictable, and there are no stupid "gotcha"-esque ice sections. Even the Path of Pain, which is a secret platforming side section, took me a few hours the first time I played through it, but even coming back to it a second time, I blew through it in under 5 minutes. Huge emphasis on fair, repetition, and responsiveness here.
Last edited by Unlearning; Jan 10 @ 9:14pm
sekai Jan 10 @ 9:16pm 
There aren't that many methods to cheese the game and the ones that exists aren't viable for mid-late game content. Towards the end of the game, you had to actually be good at the game for the late-game bosses and platforming, including the true final boss. You will always be able to "finish" the game though if the late-game challenges are too much, but you'd have to settle on the ending that's technically the "bad end" but then again, all of the endings are kinda sad and bittersweet so it doesn't change that much.
Last edited by sekai; Jan 10 @ 9:18pm
Originally posted by mystemacc:
I want to see everything though, so that means I won't be able to. I'll google path of pain and watch last boss fight and hardest boss, better to watch spoilers than get to the end and never finish it.
Then it'll be like really, hard. Like, you'll have to practice some bosses for hours on end, genuienly, the hardest boss in the game can take weeks or days.
I watched the last boss fight and the path of pain...I don't think I can make it before I ragequit.

Maybe it's better to watch a 100% playthrough without comments.
Originally posted by mystemacc:
I watched the last boss fight and the path of pain...I don't think I can make it before I ragequit.

Maybe it's better to watch a 100% playthrough without comments.
You should have just played it blind. Hollow Knight is best experienced blind, but I guess it doesn’t matter now.
Originally posted by mystemacc:
I watched the last boss fight and the path of pain...I don't think I can make it before I ragequit.
You can't do it now, that's for sure. But if you play the game, you learn to use the tools the game gives you.
Originally posted by TheAlmightySunBro, Silkaire:
Originally posted by mystemacc:
I watched the last boss fight and the path of pain...I don't think I can make it before I ragequit.

Maybe it's better to watch a 100% playthrough without comments.
You should have just played it blind. Hollow Knight is best experienced blind, but I guess it doesn’t matter now.

It would be worse if I got stuck at any point with no way to go past it.

People are saying it's the ending that is hard, me not failing for the first 2 hours would not mean anything for the ending, so trying and refunding is not an option either.

Originally posted by MADE IN IRON:
Originally posted by mystemacc:
I watched the last boss fight and the path of pain...I don't think I can make it before I ragequit.
You can't do it now, that's for sure. But if you play the game, you learn to use the tools the game gives you.

Good in theory, terrible for me in practice.

Does it at least have frequent checkpoints so I don't have to do runbacks all the time? And does path of pain has checkpoints after a 2 or 3 screens long progress?
Fenix Jan 11 @ 4:37pm 
Again the path of pain is not required and there are no check points, it's you do it or you don't, there is no in between.
oh can get use to run backs... benches are few and far between.
Last edited by Fenix; Jan 11 @ 4:38pm
Originally posted by Fenix:
Again the path of pain is not required and there are no check points, it's you do it or you don't, there is no in between.
oh can get use to run backs... benches are few and far between.

It is required for me, I want to see all content.

No checkpoints, no no no. Oh no.

Thanks for the replies all, but this game is not for me. I don't have the skill or will to go through that. Wish I did though.
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