The White Palace sucks

[AlmaDarkSpell]

Well, I'm here just joining to the already commented topic on the white palace. The final and 3rd section to complete the white palace, which is mandatory to reach the true final boss on the game, it is not possible for a lot of players, me included. I have already given up after trying an average of 500 times just to get past the beginning. And in this case I do not see that it is even a matter of repetition and keep trying, for some users it is impossible to pass and that it is all. Thanks Team Cherry for ruining such a wonderful game with such a horrible area.

For those that I know will be angry with my post: I do not want to create a discussion, I am just adding my opinion. One more of many, because I have seen that many other users have expressed the same opinion on this matter. I'm just another player joining the group of dissatisfied people with this horrible area inside the game.

[Winter]

I used Hive + double focus + grubsong
and a lot of patience with trial and error

[Noborus]

Understandable, i disagree with White Palace being a horrible part of the game, but i can see why it would be annoying for something like that to exist in the game. It forces you to overcome it if you want to get the other endings. I'm a fan of both the platforming, and the combat in Hollow Knight, so i wasn't dissatisfied or annoyed when i had to do White Palace, but i understand many players might just like this game for the combat.

[Crynn]

i never found it TOO terrible but that's probably my prior experience with celeste helping. for me personally it's my favorite area in the game.

[🉑 rezno[R].technology]

Here is Team Cherry's comment about White Palace, if you like (33:48-38:59):
https://youtu.be/y2DoyWCOyvg?t=2028

[kanna]

Sorry to hear you gave up. For those of us who enjoy the platforming challenges, it's a great challenge. If you want to try again, lots of people here can give you some tips.

[chopinnumberonefan]

I get that its frustrating, but in no way does it ruin the game. It's fine for you to not like the white palace, but something being hard doesn't make it bad.

[Blakethesnake]

i dont remember White palace being that hard, are you talking about the Path of Pain? I thought PoP was optional

[BananaPancake]

I did it yesterday, to get the second kingsoul shard. While the controls in Hollow Knight are excellent, I felt that too that this part was tedious, too much Super Meat Boy for a metroidvania (I loves SMB though).
The third part was the most difficult, especially with the spikes and the well timed dashes, but it is doable, you just need to understand the correct input sequence, sometimes you have to first dash then jump, sometimes drop then double jump then dash etc ...
I would shorten that part, but it was kind of refreshing.
The hive charm is mandatory however.

It's definitely doable, don't give up.

[kanna]

Originally posted by Blakethesnake:

i dont remember White palace being that hard, are you talking about the Path of Pain? I thought PoP was optional

We all start with different skill levels in different areas of the game. I'm pretty comfy with platforming challenges, but I found WP harder than PoP because I kept getting lost with so many options of which way to go (and sometimes I'd get myself into a tight corner because of my meandering paths, lol. PoP is just about solving the puzzle of how to get through a room, and then actually carrying out the solution you came up with.

[Partido Comunista Oestemexicano]

We understand your pain, White palace is the most difficult and ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ unfair place of all hollow knight, I recommend using hiveblood charm and grubsong, the quick timings are just from practice, still if you get mad at the area there's not problem, mayority of the fandom hates this place and just for a piece of lore.

[kanna]

Originally posted by Partido Comunista Oestecoreano:

We understand your pain, White palace is the most difficult and ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ unfair place of all hollow knight, I recommend using hiveblood charm and grubsong, the quick timings are just from practice, still if you get mad at the area there's not problem, mayority of the fandom hates this place and just for a piece of lore.

For the sake of accuracy, there's more than "a piece of lore" behind White Palace. You have to complete it for 4/5 endings. I think you're thinking of the hidden area, Path of Pain, which is a totally optional challenge. And the idea the "majority of the fandom" is highly debatable (at best).

[Partido Comunista Oestemexicano]

Originally posted by kanna:

Originally posted by Partido Comunista Oestecoreano:

We understand your pain, White palace is the most difficult and ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ unfair place of all hollow knight, I recommend using hiveblood charm and grubsong, the quick timings are just from practice, still if you get mad at the area there's not problem, mayority of the fandom hates this place and just for a piece of lore.

For the sake of accuracy, there's more than "a piece of lore" behind White Palace. You have to complete it for 4/5 endings. I think you're thinking of the hidden area, Path of Pain, which is a totally optional challenge. And the idea the "majority of the fandom" is highly debatable (at best).

first, I didn't now about the endings, I'm just exploring the place and completed the path of pain, thought was the only thing there and the pale king second kingsoul shard, thanks, second, I've seen many peope hating this place from genuine to ironic, still I would say that there's a part that doesn't like this place so it yeah it is debatable

[kanna]

It's that fragment you mentioned that's needed for four out of the five endings of this game to be seen. Btw, be sure you get the first out of the three endings (located in Black Egg Temple) before it's too late though, because you will be locked out of seeing the first available ending on that save file if you update the Kingsoul charm to Void Heart first.

Again, it's hard to be sure what most players think of White Palace, but I think there's a difference between comments from people (usually-- but not always --just doing it for their first time), speaking as if they're experts on the design of a challenge like this without even checking into the different creative ways a player is allowed to mitigate/solve/skip past the very challenges they complain about... and people reminiscing about how hard it was their first time. Also, there are those of us who have suggested to people visiting this forum to practice in WP if they want to build up their skill for very late game content like Colosseum in particular, or Godhome, since every type of movement ability is required (I think).

[Zen Dreamer]

Originally posted by AlmaDarkSpell:

I do not want to create a discussion

... and yet you whine in "General Discussion" ;)

I do understand the frustration, I got stuck on the spike jumps for about 20 minutes straight
with copious amounts of swearing, but come on, hiveblood charm gives you infinite retries and the frequency of checkpoints is very generous.

Git gud (which is not a condescension, practice makes perfect), consider it a preparation for the few yet much more punishing jumps of the delicate flower delivery.

[Krampus]

Flower really has only the 1 difficult dash part literally at the end though. I'd argue PoP is more annoying ^^