♥♥♥♥ Grey Prince Zote

[Flip]

♥♥♥♥ him all the way to hell.
I sincerely regret saving the bastard...
Trying to clear P3 with all bindings and all's just fine and dandy until this ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ appears and screws up the whole run time after time with his random ass anti-patterns.
Srsly this has to be the most RNG based boss of em all, and i hate playing against bad luck.

Alright, that's it. Just needed to vent a bit. Thanks for your your attention.
Sympathies welcome.

[Salfaden]

Agree that he sucks but Ascended Markoth is just THE WORST boss in the game, I hate him with a burning passion.

Originally posted by Flip:

Trying to clear P3 with all bindings and all's just fine and dandy until this ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ appears and screws up the whole run time after time with his random ass anti-patterns.
Srsly this has to be the most RNG based boss of em all, and i hate playing against bad luck.

You don't need to do all bindings at once to complete P3, you can do one binding at a time for the 4 different bindings, it will still unlock the next pantheon.

[Noborus]

I can related to your frustrations, i had some trouble with him when when i was trying to do him Radiant. My fights with him are always really inconsistent, but i guess it's like that for me with most other bosses. I don't really feel like GPZ heavily relies on RNG though, it's just that the attacks are so unpredictable that it's really hard to avoid them.

[Flip]

Originally posted by Salfaden:

Agree that he sucks but Ascended Markoth is just THE WORST boss in the game, I hate him with a burning passion.

Originally posted by Flip:

Trying to clear P3 with all bindings and all's just fine and dandy until this ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ appears and screws up the whole run time after time with his random ass anti-patterns.
Srsly this has to be the most RNG based boss of em all, and i hate playing against bad luck.

You don't need to do all bindings at once to complete P3, you can do one binding at a time for the 4 different bindings, it will still unlock the next pantheon.

Thanks, i know. Already did Needle and Soul debuffs, the others are far worse tho imo, especially no Charms, which is effectively an all around gimp mode.

Originally posted by Co‏‏‏‏‏co:

I can related to your frustrations, i had some trouble with him when when i was trying to do him Radiant. My fights with him are always really inconsistent, but i guess it's like that for me with most other bosses. I don't really feel like GPZ heavily relies on RNG though, it's just that the attacks are so unpredictable that it's really hard to avoid them.

I mean it's bad enough he can jump around, spawn minions, use his sword and walk back n forth in an irritating, non-linear fashion, it's almost as if every option features yet another layer of random:
"Oh, he's gonna wield his sword around!"
- *falls on his face and produces wave instead*
"Oh, he's jumping out of the screen so he'll land at my current position!"
- *lands in front of you to hit you while walking/jumping/dashing*
"Ah right, he's doing his on-screen jumps, guess he'll land over there!"
- *changes trajectory mid air*
"Yo, spawning his minions, guess they'll be flying, better rdy them wraiths.
- *spawns Spider Zotes you miss*

Srsly, ♥♥♥♥ this. I know diving has invincibility frames, but those take a while to get active, too, also Soul dependant...

Team Cherry, why dost ye taunt me so?
I'd rather fight Pure Vessel any day, he's very difficult to react to, but at least he has actual patterns to do so.

Edit: Should i ever attempt Steel Soul i will let him be eaten by the Vengefly King and be cheering!!

[Noborus]

Originally posted by Flip:

Originally posted by Co‏‏‏‏‏co:

I can related to your frustrations, i had some trouble with him when when i was trying to do him Radiant. My fights with him are always really inconsistent, but i guess it's like that for me with most other bosses. I don't really feel like GPZ heavily relies on RNG though, it's just that the attacks are so unpredictable that it's really hard to avoid them.

I mean it's bad enough he can jump around, spawn minions, use his sword and walk back n forth in an irritating, non-linear fashion, it's almost as if every option features yet another layer of random:
"Oh, he's gonna wield his sword around!"
- *falls on his face and produces wave instead*
"Oh, he's jumping out of the screen so he'll land at my current position!"
- *lands in front of you to hit you while walking/jumping/dashing*
"Ah right, he's doing his on-screen jumps, guess he'll land over there!"
- *changes trajectory mid air*
"Yo, spawning his minions, guess they'll be flying, better rdy them wraiths.
- *spawns Spider Zotes you miss*

Srsly, ♥♥♥♥ this. I know diving has invincibility frames, but those take a while to get active, too, also Soul dependant...

DDive helps when he jumps out of the screen, and tries to land on you. It's not that hard to time it so you can completely avoid that attack.
I know his attacks are extremely random, but they're all possible to dodge, it's just really awkward.

[Flip]

Thank you, i guess i really have to try to utilize it more.









Oh btw: ♥♥♥♥ Uumuu, too. XP

[Flip]

"UUUUUHHH, MARVAAAaaa!"

[Stona]

I hate GPZ with all my powers and with every part of my body but I have to say this.
His patterns are unusual but they are not as bad as You described. If you want I can give You some tips.
my reflexes are relativly weak but i still managed to beat him on radiant. Try to find movment patterns working for his both posible versions of started attack.
I'm actually surprised that You didn't mentioned Collector because IMO collector with all bindings is the hardest fight of all 4 bindings fights.

[DeerMunchingByATree]

Originally posted by Salfaden:

Agree that he sucks but Ascended Markoth is just THE WORST boss in the game, I hate him with a burning passion.

Originally posted by Flip:

Trying to clear P3 with all bindings and all's just fine and dandy until this ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ appears and screws up the whole run time after time with his random ass anti-patterns.
Srsly this has to be the most RNG based boss of em all, and i hate playing against bad luck.

You don't need to do all bindings at once to complete P3, you can do one binding at a time for the 4 different bindings, it will still unlock the next pantheon.

Honestly I find Markoth enjoyable. In fact he was one of the first bosses I beat on Radiant. Imho ascended and radiant Xero are much more difficult.

[Noborus]

Originally posted by DeerMunchingByATree:

Originally posted by Salfaden:

Agree that he sucks but Ascended Markoth is just THE WORST boss in the game, I hate him with a burning passion.

You don't need to do all bindings at once to complete P3, you can do one binding at a time for the 4 different bindings, it will still unlock the next pantheon.

Honestly I find Markoth enjoyable. In fact he was one of the first bosses I beat on Radiant. Imho ascended and radiant Xero are much more difficult.

Really? Markoth was a huge pain for me to do Radiant. Easily the 2nd hardest boss to do Radiant for me. Way worse then GPZ in my experience.

[Flip]

Originally posted by Stona:

I hate GPZ with all my powers and with every part of my body but I have to say this.
His patterns are unusual but they are not as bad as You described. If you want I can give You some tips.
my reflexes are relativly weak but i still managed to beat him on radiant. Try to find movment patterns working for his both posible versions of started attack.
I'm actually surprised that You didn't mentioned Collector because IMO collector with all bindings is the hardest fight of all 4 bindings fights.

Really? I think Collector is a total pushover lol, hardest struggle is that against boredom really. I just stick close to him and nail away. I remember 1st trying him in Story Mode, only boss in the whole game i think, maybe i was overequipped, dunno. Never tried all 4 bindings at once tho, i think no charms is bad enough in my book.

That "dive while waiting for drop" strategy is really working well tbh, one less guessing game plus a bit of extra damage. Another thing i hate about him are his stupid exploding balloons. They're easy enough to dodge, but the aural as well as visual noise they produce really make it hard to make out what Zote's up to. Get surprised quite often by him falling on me seemingly out of nowhere since i totally missed any queues.

Apart from Zote and Uumuu this Pantheon is really quite easy imo, Nail Master is a bit tedious but at least predictable.

[kanna]

Understandable, many people struggle with GPZ at first. I know I did but I had trouble with most bosses at first, lol. As mentioned above, Ascended/Radiant Markoth is probably the actual most RNG-heavy boss, though GPZ certainly comes close.

With this fight, the biggest key is probably to constantly keep the right distance (for me I find this is usually about a Zote's-width away, unless it's a good time to attack of course), and being prepared for each possibility. Move as he moves, and be prepared for variations. Like if you want to pogo as he starts flailing Life Ender around, then be ready for the possibility he will fall so you can handle both outcomes. When he falls off screen you know he's going to fall wherever you are next. If he starts spitting Zotelings you can attack him if you're good at dodging or attack the Zotelings if you feel you'll be too crowded by them, etc. (Adjust as needed for whatever would work for you, problem solving each situation as you go.)

Sure I picked up some tricks from the usual tips videos like using the down spell as he's diving from the ceiling, but most of my ability to do this fight hitless comes from those first two factors of keeping a good distance and being prepared for whatever might come next.

[Leviathan]

Oh btw: ♥♥♥♥ Uumuu, too. XP [/quote]


i HATE UUMUU!!!!!!

[Stona]

Originally posted by Flip:

Originally posted by Stona:

I hate GPZ with all my powers and with every part of my body but I have to say this.
His patterns are unusual but they are not as bad as You described. If you want I can give You some tips.
my reflexes are relativly weak but i still managed to beat him on radiant. Try to find movment patterns working for his both posible versions of started attack.
I'm actually surprised that You didn't mentioned Collector because IMO collector with all bindings is the hardest fight of all 4 bindings fights.

Really? I think Collector is a total pushover lol, hardest struggle is that against boredom really. I just stick close to him and nail away. I remember 1st trying him in Story Mode, only boss in the whole game i think, maybe i was overequipped, dunno. Never tried all 4 bindings at once tho, i think no charms is bad enough in my book.

That "dive while waiting for drop" strategy is really working well tbh, one less guessing game plus a bit of extra damage. Another thing i hate about him are his stupid exploding balloons. They're easy enough to dodge, but the aural as well as visual noise they produce really make it hard to make out what Zote's up to. Get surprised quite often by him falling on me seemingly out of nowhere since i totally missed any queues.

Apart from Zote and Uumuu this Pantheon is really quite easy imo, Nail Master is a bit tedious but at least predictable.

Oh I wos thinking you are doing 4 bindings at once that's completely different. I completely agree collector when you have normal nail dmg and dash is 2nd easiest in game boss but he's getting ridiculously hard when you have every little spawned minion on 3 hits and enough soul only to store one spell. (And I'm too terrified to even think about 4 bindings ascended version)

[Flip]

Originally posted by Stona:

Originally posted by Flip:

Really? I think Collector is a total pushover lol, hardest struggle is that against boredom really. I just stick close to him and nail away. I remember 1st trying him in Story Mode, only boss in the whole game i think, maybe i was overequipped, dunno. Never tried all 4 bindings at once tho, i think no charms is bad enough in my book.

That "dive while waiting for drop" strategy is really working well tbh, one less guessing game plus a bit of extra damage. Another thing i hate about him are his stupid exploding balloons. They're easy enough to dodge, but the aural as well as visual noise they produce really make it hard to make out what Zote's up to. Get surprised quite often by him falling on me seemingly out of nowhere since i totally missed any queues.

Apart from Zote and Uumuu this Pantheon is really quite easy imo, Nail Master is a bit tedious but at least predictable.

Oh I wos thinking you are doing 4 bindings at once that's completely different. I completely agree collector when you have normal nail dmg and dash is 2nd easiest in game boss but he's getting ridiculously hard when you have every little spawned minion on 3 hits and enough soul only to store one spell. (And I'm too terrified to even think about 4 bindings ascended version)

I see. Yeah i didn't even consider his minions could take more than 1 hit, surely that changes the situation.

[Flip]

Again thanks to everyone providing tips n strategies, gotten quite alot better at dealing with the bastard actually. Finally beat reduced health binding today, that only leaves no charms and i'm done with this god-forsaken Pantheon for good. :)
P4 overall is far easier imo, well, with the exception of pure vessel, still can only beat him like 1/5, but i'm getting there. At least he's somewhat consitent...