Crowsworn is unoriginal

[󠀡󠀡 ⁧⁧Darius]

The title here is my conclusion after 2 hours of meditation on trying to love the game

No matter how hard I try, I just can't. The game is unoriginal and it's not just the artstyle. From the trailer I already saw the layout of background and foreground is copied, rolling is dashing, the spike downwards hit is also a thing from Hollow Knight and, lastly, the "bench" thing. There's no bench in the trailer but there is a statue... it probably saves your game and works as a respawn point... and as we saw from the trailer you can also equip power ups in there. Basically, charms from Hollow Knight.

When I was learning to draw, I fell into this trap too. I've made a really good artwork, yet I was not proud of it at all because I watched a tutorial. While drawing, I consciously tried to stray away from the picture in the tutorial but I copied all the decisions that were made during the process. When I was done, I realized that copying decisions is a lot more personal than I thought, even though I was drawing a different thing. I was not proud of my work at all, even though I spent many hours on it...

To make your own decisions is frustrating. But it is extremely rewarding and so, so good for the soul... I can tell Crowsworn's devs already put many hours into their game, just like I've put many hours into my artwork but are they proud?

I didn't see any original ideas in the trailer and they are about to launch a Kickstarter...

[True Spino]

Originally posted by Darius:

Originally posted by gi.hades:

Everything's already been done

I'm glad not everyone is that stupid to think this

You keep seeing the same ♥♥♥♥ everywhere (be it music, games or whatever) because making similar stuff to what's worked in the past is more safe

Crowsworn took the safe route as well

key word here that you just said, SIMILAR. Crowsworn isn't a copy, its pretty similar, yes, but it's not a copy. Just like hollow knight has many similarities to other metroidvania games, but it still wan't a copy

[󠀡󠀡 ⁧⁧Darius]

Originally posted by True Spino:

Originally posted by Darius:

I'm glad not everyone is that stupid to think this

You keep seeing the same ♥♥♥♥ everywhere (be it music, games or whatever) because making similar stuff to what's worked in the past is more safe

Crowsworn took the safe route as well

key word here that you just said, SIMILAR. Crowsworn isn't a copy, its pretty similar, yes, but it's not a copy. Just like hollow knight has many similarities to other metroidvania games, but it still wan't a copy

Hollow Knight is like drawing an imaginary person from your head with all the knowledge you got from school while Crowsworn is like drawing a person using a photograph next to you as a reference

[True Spino]

Originally posted by Darius:

Originally posted by True Spino:

key word here that you just said, SIMILAR. Crowsworn isn't a copy, its pretty similar, yes, but it's not a copy. Just like hollow knight has many similarities to other metroidvania games, but it still wan't a copy

Hollow Knight is like drawing an imaginary person from your head with all the knowledge you got from school while Crowsworn is like drawing a person using a photograph next to you as a reference

moreso hollow knight is a drawing you made in art class and crowsworn is taking inspiration of that photo to try and make it better (albiet it probably will not be as good because HK is in the top of the "class")

[True Spino]

Look, if you don't like it, don't play it. If the game itself is bad then it'll die and that will be the end of it. If not though, then there will be a whole new game for tons of people to try out and have fun. I see where you're coming from but different people have different opinions. (also most people here aren't respecting opinions so It would be better to just let this die out)

[󠀡󠀡 ⁧⁧Darius]

Originally posted by True Spino:

Look, if you don't like it, don't play it. If the game itself is bad then it'll die and that will be the end of it. If not though, then there will be a whole new game for tons of people to try out and have fun. I see where you're coming from but different people have different opinions. (also most people here aren't respecting opinions so It would be better to just let this die out)

It won't be bad because Hollow Knight is not bad and Crowsworn is copying it

As I said, it took the safe route

[Hauteclere]

Hollow Knight is almost perfect as-is so if another game is anywhere near as good as it, it will be a pretty amazing game.

I just don't get why people get so uppity like this. Shouldn't you want more games similar to games you love?

[Teipic]

Why do those this post exist?
we are getting something like hollow knight a master piece, and the first thing people do is complain about it being like hollow knight.

[Rubyeyed]

Thanks for the heads up OP. I haven't heard about that title before and after watching the footage i would buy that, original or not.

[Baarko]

If you hate crowsworne so much, how do you feel about Ori and the will of the wisps? That game took a lot of inspiration from hollow knight, and it's as well received, if not even more well received that the origianl game? I saw you played the original, but not the sequel.

[True Spino]

Originally posted by Darius:

Originally posted by True Spino:

Look, if you don't like it, don't play it. If the game itself is bad then it'll die and that will be the end of it. If not though, then there will be a whole new game for tons of people to try out and have fun. I see where you're coming from but different people have different opinions. (also most people here aren't respecting opinions so It would be better to just let this die out)

It won't be bad because Hollow Knight is not bad and Crowsworn is copying it

As I said, it took the safe route

safe route is similar like you said, not a copy. and through the trailer you can see the more combo based combat and it seems more fast paced as well

[True Spino]

Originally posted by AnGewigsterMohr:

Youre right. Its literally a worse looking hollow knight with guns. Pu$$ys get mad over people calling it a clone when its literally one unless they introduce something unique we havent seen yet.

also this guy we dont need any of that

[󠀡󠀡 ⁧⁧Darius]

Originally posted by Baarko:

If you hate crowsworne so much, how do you feel about Ori and the will of the wisps? That game took a lot of inspiration from hollow knight, and it's as well received, if not even more well received that the origianl game? I saw you played the original, but not the sequel.

idk if you're trolling but will of the wisps is a sequel of blind forest which released back in 2015

hk released in 2017

[Perseus]

Originally posted by Darius:

It won't be bad because Hollow Knight is not bad and Crowsworn is copying it

As I said, it took the safe route

That's not how it works.
An big part of why Hollow Knight is good is because of lots of things most people don't even know about :
The breakable wall tutorial;
The fool eater tutorials;
The big role the breakable background elements have in making you better at attacking (basically the same principle as zelda bushes);
The first belfy in City of tears is directly followed by two enemies (husks) the player probably already mastered fighting against, meaning a player that gets hit by the belfly can probably heal all the damage from the belfly's explosion using the soul from killing those husks;
Some things more people know about, like "Coyote Jumping";
And much, much more.
All those little details matter a lot, tilting the balance slightly in the player's favor, which makes the game better. And that's just one part of it!
There's also the masterly crafted difficulty curve, fair bossfights, and more.

If someone doesn't know about those things when making a game, that means they don't know what they're doing, meaning the game will naturally be bad, it doesn't matter if it's a copy or not.

[Kupoflupo]

Originally posted by Sanyo:

At first glance yeah, seems like a total copy so I kinda see why are you feel this way, but i don't think its unoriginal, the Art stlye are similar sure, even some of the mechanics/moves seems familiar, but even Hollow Knight copied other metroidvania games. The Devs not even hiding this is was inspired by HK, but the world of the Crowsworn are very different if you think about it. I think this is a win situtation for those who love this kind of games. Maybe im biased because i love this plague doctor/bloodborne vibe, but i think this will be another fantastic metroidvania game, i cannot wait to play it!

You said exacyly what i feel,, this seems like a "clone/copy/inspiration" the same way Curse of the Dead Gods did in relation to Hades.

BUT also, Crosworn is not even in ea or on kickstarter yet,, a lot might change in either direction up til release.

[Kupoflupo]

Originally posted by Teipic:

Why do those this post exist?
we are getting something like hollow knight a master piece, and the first thing people do is complain about it being like hollow knight.

I think many react because the artstyle seems so similar at first glance, kinda like Curse of the Dead gods vs Hades, and therefore similarities in mechanics and gameplay (which woulnd have been an issue otherwize) suddenly is a problem. For some people.