Hunter's mark ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥

[oprah winfrey]

I want to get a hunter's mark. I wiped all mobs in game and got 161\162. I opened up hunter's journal on wiki and compared all mobs one by one with my hunter's journal. I found that I don't have zote mob's which blow up themselves. Went to Dirtmouth, beat the ♥♥♥♥ out of prince zot three times. Got those mobs to my journal. Looked at counter - it changed to 162\163. WHAT?! WTF? Are they kidding? Then I also killed Pure Vessel and got 163\164 in my journal. So my questions are - what a ♥♥♥♥ is happening with the journal and how am I gonna get my hunter's mark? I hope it worth it in the end.

[Lydian ♭7]

By "wiki" do you mean this page?
https://hollowknight.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Enemies_(Hollow_Knight)

Notice the asterisks below the "Compendium" section, before "Enemies without Journal Entries":

* When this enemy is killed and added to the Hunter's Journal, the "maximum" amount of enemies will also increase by 1. This makes this enemy optional to obtain the Hunter's Mark.

You probably missed (or didn't kill enough of) one of the monsters without asterisks.

[Perseus]

This should tell you what you missed : https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2209910193
Also, like Lydian said, some entries aren't actually required.

[🉑 rezno[R].technology]

Creation of my Tool was inspired by posts like this one. Thanks perseus for recommending it :)

There are total of 168 entries, 4 of which don't increase the maximum entry count (so maximum you can have is 164/164).

Only 146 base entries are required to get the Hunter's Mark.

After you used my Tool, tell us what you missed!

[oprah winfrey]

Originally posted by 🉑 reznoR:

Creation of my Tool was inspired by posts like this one. Thanks perseus for recommending it :)

There are total of 168 entries, 4 of which don't increase the maximum entry count (so maximum you can have is 164/164).

Only 146 base entries are required to get the Hunter's Mark.

After you used my Tool, tell us what you missed!

I managed to find it without your tool actually :) In fact I found it right after I wrote this post :) Fat golden bug was missing, he was behind secret wall in the house in City of tears. But it turns out it wasn't worth it, the hunter's mark doesn't give anything, I'm a bit disappointed.

[🉑 rezno[R].technology]

Congratulations!
I'm sure some people will not agree with "hunter's mark doesn't give anything", but it's fine to feel that way.

[oprah winfrey]

Originally posted by 🉑 reznoR:

Congratulations!
I'm sure some people will not agree with "hunter's mark doesn't give anything", but it's fine to feel that way.

What does it give? I would be happy to know.

[origamiswami]

Originally posted by oprah winfrey:

Originally posted by 🉑 reznoR:

Congratulations!
I'm sure some people will not agree with "hunter's mark doesn't give anything", but it's fine to feel that way.

What does it give? I would be happy to know.

You get a fun fake-out with the Hunter, and an entry in the Hunter's Journal for the Mark, and the satisfaction of a job well done.

[Gabriel]

Unfortunately like all of the hardest challenges in the game (except maybe pantheon of hallownest), the reward is not that great.

In this case, it's not even challenging, so unless you want that sweet 100%, just skip it.

[MADE IN IRON]

Originally posted by casadogg:

Unfortunately like all of the hardest challenges in the game (except maybe pantheon of hallownest), the reward is not that great.

In this case, it's not even challenging, so unless you want that sweet 100%, just skip it.

Well, they are called "challenges" and not "things you do to get a reward". Does evertything have to come with a prize to lure people? The acompmishment feeling is not worth anymore?

[kanna]

Originally posted by MADE IN IRON:

Originally posted by casadogg:

Unfortunately like all of the hardest challenges in the game (except maybe pantheon of hallownest), the reward is not that great.

In this case, it's not even challenging, so unless you want that sweet 100%, just skip it.

Well, they are called "challenges" and not "things you do to get a reward". Does evertything have to come with a prize to lure people? The acompmishment feeling is not worth anymore?

There are some harder entries sure, but the Hunter's Journal is more of a grind than a challenge, so the lore was all I was going for. Being somewhat completionist, I like getting getting that completion to be fun to do somehow (because just grinding to fill out a list isn't so fun for me).

I appreciated the lore from all the boss, Abyss, and certain dream world-related entries, as well as the extra interaction with the Hunter at the end. The world building from the entries helped me understand not only the enemies but the character of the Hunter is revealed in the things he says, and story-related stuff in general is very interesting to me.

[🉑 rezno[R].technology]

Hollow Knight is one of the very few games which actually implement a visual enemy database mechanic, which is directly tied to lore, worldbuilding and storytelling. Other games which have similarly working databases intertwined with the whole game are for example NieR:Automata and Witcher 3, and I always appreciate such things. Games like Ori (not too much enemy variety there anyway...) or most of the AAA games that I played don't even implement such a thing, which for me is a real shame.

For me similarly like for kanna the whole process of discovery and completion of the Hunter's Journal is a reward in itself, and the things I get after completing it (achievement, animations, lore) are just an icing on the cake. Some things like grinding for some entries (killing required amount of enemies) was maybe setting the limit too high, but it happened really rarely when compared to the whole.

[Gabriel]

Originally posted by MADE IN IRON:

Originally posted by casadogg:

Unfortunately like all of the hardest challenges in the game (except maybe pantheon of hallownest), the reward is not that great.

In this case, it's not even challenging, so unless you want that sweet 100%, just skip it.

Well, they are called "challenges" and not "things you do to get a reward". Does evertything have to come with a prize to lure people? The acompmishment feeling is not worth anymore?

Yep, otherwise it's pointless. You can have a challenge AND a great reward tied to it.

If I'm going to do something challenging and not have a reward (new skill, new spell, access to a new area, a significant piece of lore, etc.), I might as well pick up my guitar and practice. It's challenging AND has a reward tied to it.

[Gabriel]

Originally posted by kanna:

Originally posted by MADE IN IRON:

Well, they are called "challenges" and not "things you do to get a reward". Does evertything have to come with a prize to lure people? The acompmishment feeling is not worth anymore?

There are some harder entries sure, but the Hunter's Journal is more of a grind than a challenge, so the lore was all I was going for. Being somewhat completionist, I like getting getting that completion to be fun to do somehow (because just grinding to fill out a list isn't so fun for me).

I appreciated the lore from all the boss, Abyss, and certain dream world-related entries, as well as the extra interaction with the Hunter at the end. The world building from the entries helped me understand not only the enemies but the character of the Hunter is revealed in the things he says, and story-related stuff in general is very interesting to me.

Yeah, it's not challenging, it's a grind. The challenge is not falling asleep while you go back and forth killing the same mob 50 times in a row.

I don't understand why they didn't simply show the lore after you killed the mob once. Hollow Knight's biggest strength is the exploration, platforming and mysterious lore, not the combat.