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Radiance fight
Spent 10 hours/~100 tries. This fight still feels impossible. She often uses 2-3 attacks at the same time, which makes taking damage almost unavoidable. With 2 mask per hit it's absolutely insane. All masks/vessels, pure nail. Charms I use are Soul Catcher, Shaman Stone, Lifeblood Core and Joni's Blessing. Any tips?
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Noborus Feb 2, 2021 @ 6:55am 
I'm assuming you're talking about The Radiance, if so she's easy, try to kill thk without using any soul after the 3rd scream which is pretty easy, and then spam abyss shriek during the first part while avoiding her attacks, she can only teleport to the left, center and right so it's pretty easy to hit her with abyss shriek, i'd suggest not going with a tank build cause if you do that means you're planning on taking damage and that's not how you win the fight as she does 2 masks. Charms i used are Shaman Stone, Quick Slash (which probably isn't that useful as you have to jump to hit her but i always use these charms) Unbreakable Strength and Spell Twister.
Now that i look at it again those charms aren't optimal for fighting Radiance, i'd suggest going with Soul Catcher, Spell Twister, Shaman Stone and Mark of Pride.
The Flaming Red Feb 2, 2021 @ 6:56am 
I did this for the first time today. Used Hive Blood instead of Joni’s blessing as there is room to heal in phase 2 when the main platform is gone. Think I was using the 4 temp health, quick slash as grub song?

When it’s doing it’s radial rays or radial spikes. It’s a good opportunity to do uo slashes while dodging those to build up soul and it’s why I like quick slash as it’s both damage and soul build up quickly. All soul use is for Abyss shriek when you can stand below the boss and am not forced to move. Don’t bother healing here,

Otherwise, you’re just dodging. Don’t bother chasing the boss much, if it’s over a spike pit, just go into dodge mode, I always found the horizontal spikes the hardest to dodge, to the point I sometimes tank it in exchange for doing shriek damage, with hive blood, the better you get at dodging, you effective get back your last health. And the grub charm gives you even more soul for abyss shriek spam.

Phase 2 has floating platforms, this might seem daunting but it’s an easier phase. Again, don’t go chasing, wait for him to come to you. During his three radial ray attacks, if you’re far enough away, you can free heal. This makes this stage of the fight go by swimmingly.

The final phase is more about just dodging so you will likely be fine and hopefully have some soul to heal up before the climb.

It is hard, and I did the same as you bang8ng my head against the wall. Don’t grind too much. If you’ve got other things in the game to do, do that as a break :) sometimes you need time for your brain to unwind between grinding a boss.

Noborus Feb 2, 2021 @ 6:57am 
One more thing don't be aggressive, attack her until she attacks and then dodge her attack and continue attacking, don't get cocky and try to damage tank through her attacks.
nuclearTrunk Feb 2, 2021 @ 8:43am 
Thanks for your advice.
EnCroissant Feb 2, 2021 @ 9:45am 
i beat him yesterday. he's no pushover. theres youtube creator called realya, he has some tips about it. id suggest the following charms: strength because you'll be hitting him a ton, shaman stone for the skyrim shouts you'll be yelling up his ass, either soul catcher or soul eater for more ass screams, and either longnail or mark of pride to reach him from farther away.
i cant say every combat tip, but i suggest you look at realya's video on it. it helped me a ton.
aside from that, play defense over offense and good luck!
kanna Feb 2, 2021 @ 10:05am 
I agree with all of Coco's suggestions. The first time I beat the Radiance, I used a lot of Abyss Shrieks (with Shaman Stone of course) to speed the fight up a lot. I haven't stopped Shrieking at her since. You can reach her with Shrieks during the floating platforms segments if she's up high and you're underneath her platform. Otherwise send Shade Souls at her. Descending Dark can be used for i-frames especially if she appears at the platform you're on (or if you're comfortable you can time it to avoid her attack while right at her platform and then hit her with your nail a bunch or with another Shriek.

Depending on your platforming abilities, you might want to tone down the health-related charms in favour of damage boosters/supports, and learn to dodge her attacks properly. As suggested above, there are videos (like Relyea's as mentioned above) that can help you learn her attacks so you know how to prepare your self in advance for each stage of the fight and not be scrambling at the last second. This fight is very structured even if it doesn't seem that way at first. Once you learn everything she can do and when it's likely to happen, it's easy.

To reduce the number of times you get hit, learn the attacks and learn to carefully hop around/over/through them as much as you can and save Shadow Dash only for a last resort. Shadow Dash should always be ready for the wall of light attack as much as possible. You can walk away from the wall of light to give it time to recharge but you're just setting yourself up to fall behind and get hit when another attack comes up.

Just like with Soul Master/Tyrant, you can dash under the light balls and let them disappear into the ground when you have room but to save your dash or if you just don't have the room because of floor spikes (which you can pogo by the way), I think I picked up this tip from Relyea back when I was learning: you can control the direction they move in by doing a *small* hop and then taking a few steps to the side of where you hopped so that the ball will track where you were and harmlessly hit the ground.
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Boksha Feb 2, 2021 @ 11:04am 
You can absolutely put all your eggs in the tank-build basket and win. In fact that's how I beat her the first time, using both Deep Focus (so you only need 3 hits to be able to fully heal from one of her attacks) and Quick Focus (to offset the extra duration of Deep Focus). That way, you can heal a TON during the fight and there's a lot of room for error.

You REALLY want Quick Slash for this fight, since it doubles the damage you do per jump (two hits per jump instead of one) AND doubles the amount of soul you get per jump. Quick Slash beats out Fragile/Unbreakable Strength (which is only 1.5x damage instead of 2x, and no extra soul) by a ton for this fight.

Finally, since it wasn't already mentioned: for all phases, you want to stay as close to the center of the arena as feasible, only going a little to the left or right if the Radiance appears there (just ignore her entirely and focus on her attacks if she appears far to the left or right). If you're getting hit with multiple attacks at the same time, that means the attacks were coming from the far side of the arena and spent so much time to reach you that the next attack is already beginning. This doesn't happen at all if you stay near the center, and move towards incoming attacks when you see them to get through them as soon as possible. And actually on that note, you really just want to move as little as possible. Dodge homing orbs by side stepping (without jumping or dashing) if they appear above you, don't double-jump unless you really have to and you rarely have to use the dash. And most of all, stay near the center.
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nuclearTrunk Feb 2, 2021 @ 11:58am 
I watched Relyea's guide about week ago. He's a kind of superman with cold blood and unbelievable skill.
nuclearTrunk Feb 2, 2021 @ 11:59am 
Going to try things you mentioned.
kanna Feb 2, 2021 @ 12:12pm 
Originally posted by nuclearTrunk:
I watched Relyea's guide about week ago. He's a kind of superman with cold blood and unbelievable skill.
I wouldn't call him a "superman." His guides are for the average player who wants to learn various fights without healing constantly I suppose, but they're not especially advanced. I pick up my advanced moves from watching speedrunners and cherry picking the stuff I think I can do and leaving out what I can't. I wouldn't suggest any of that kind of thing here, lol, aside from the thing about pogoing spikes just in case you're up for it.) It's just a difference between learning how to optimally handle the fight according to your own abilities vs. ignoring how the fight works and just damage racing the boss.

Until you're very experienced with the fight, you will take damage either way so it's good to learn how to prepare for and dodge each attack even if you do plan to try tanking through it. Tanking without even learning what you should expect to deal with during the fight will just make it take a little longer for you to die on two-mask damage bosses.

(Personally I feel it also seems not as fun to not believe in yourself and just resign yourself to getting hit a lot when you can learn not to, but we all enjoy the game in different ways after all.)
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nuclearTrunk Feb 2, 2021 @ 12:36pm 
Originally posted by kanna:
Originally posted by nuclearTrunk:
I watched Relyea's guide about week ago. He's a kind of superman with cold blood and unbelievable skill.
I wouldn't call him a "superman." His guides are for the average player who wants to learn various fights without healing constantly I suppose, but they're not especially advanced. I pick up my advanced moves from watching speedrunners and cherry picking the stuff I think I can do and leaving out what I can't. I wouldn't suggest any of that kind of thing here, lol, aside from the thing about pogoing spikes just in case you're up for it.) It's just a difference between learning how to optimally handle the fight according to your own abilities vs. ignoring how the fight works and just damage racing the boss.

Until you're very experienced with the fight, you will take damage either way so it's good to learn how to prepare for and dodge each attack even if you do plan to try tanking through it. Tanking without even learning what you should expect to deal with during the fight will just make it take a little longer for you to die on two-mask damage bosses.

(Personally I feel it also seems not as fun to not believe in yourself and just resign yourself to getting hit a lot when you can learn not to, but we all enjoy the game in different ways after all.)
Dodging radiance's attacks seems just like a superpower to me.

Of course, I'm not trying to tank radiance. I learned (I hope so) her attacks and trying dodge them (As Relyea said "defense before offense"). The problem is she's spamming them one by one, so there is almost no room for mistakes.

Actually, the only boss I tanked was the watcher knights, because 2 of them at the same time produce a bloody mess all around the arena.
Boksha Feb 2, 2021 @ 12:40pm 
Personally I enjoy just doing whatever I need to do to get whatever advantage I need to win, but I get what you mean. Going full-tank definitely wouldn't be my choice of loadout now anyway, but I don't regret getting my first win that way. (part of my take also comes from playing a lot of RPGs, where getting hit and healing up is usually an unavoidable strategy)

That said, you can't truly tank this fight anyway unless you get very lucky. Since even with Deep Focus you need to land 3 hits before you can heal from taking damage once, you'll have to dodge most of what's coming at you, but at least getting hit a few times early on won't mean you're that much more likely to die later on in the fight, as is the case if you spend all your soul on attack spells. That peace of mind will help look at the attacks used against you more calmly, making it easier to pick up what you're doing, both wrong and right. Being able to stick around longer also helps with that; if you die constantly you'll be spending more time slapping the Hollow Knight and watching the Radiance's intro than actually fighting and learning.
nuclearTrunk Feb 2, 2021 @ 2:58pm 
So, accidentally I beat her. Definitely, it was 99% luck - almost whole fight there were only easy-to-dodge patterns.
About charms. I use Soul Catcher, Shaman Stone, Lifeblood Core and Unbreakable Strength.
kanna Feb 2, 2021 @ 3:54pm 
Originally posted by nuclearTrunk:
Dodging radiance's attacks seems just like a superpower to me.

Of course, I'm not trying to tank radiance. I learned (I hope so) her attacks and trying dodge them (As Relyea said "defense before offense"). The problem is she's spamming them one by one, so there is almost no room for mistakes.

Actually, the only boss I tanked was the watcher knights, because 2 of them at the same time produce a bloody mess all around the arena.
Haha, yeah I suspect we all damage tank the Watcher Knight fight before learning it. It's probably a slightly more valid approach for that fight (though less fulfilling).

Fair enough and you described that well - Radiance is spamming the attacks, but she's still technically spamming them one by one.

In the first 3 stages with the big platform, you have the advantage that you can spam right back at her a lot of the time (especially if you get used to the timing for sidestepping the swords and the light beams). In the 4th stage of the fight, the little platforms mean dodging requires more concentration but now you have the advantage that you can properly hit her with the down spell (which gives i-frames!) + you technically can use the whole screen to dodge if you're careful to listen for the light wall's sound queue as well as the sword wall's sound queue.

Also, Radiance does signal what moves she's doing but the signals are similar-looking and only give a moment's warning (like with Broken Vessel/Lost Kin) so it can take a while to be able to react to them quickly.

Originally posted by Boksha:
Personally I enjoy just doing whatever I need to do to get whatever advantage I need to win, but I get what you mean. Going full-tank definitely wouldn't be my choice of loadout now anyway, but I don't regret getting my first win that way. (part of my take also comes from playing a lot of RPGs, where getting hit and healing up is usually an unavoidable strategy)
I get what you mean, but I was disappointed and unsatisfied when I had to beat BV and LK at first using Defender's Crest. I wanted to progress for the time being, but I knew I wanted going to learn to do those fights better, and I did. I'm not even a person who normally enjoys boss fights or cares that much about them, but somehow this game is different for me in that area.

That said, you can't truly tank this fight anyway unless you get very lucky. Since even with Deep Focus you need to land 3 hits before you can heal from taking damage once, you'll have to dodge most of what's coming at you, but at least getting hit a few times early on won't mean you're that much more likely to die later on in the fight, as is the case if you spend all your soul on attack spells. That peace of mind will help look at the attacks used against you more calmly, making it easier to pick up what you're doing, both wrong and right. Being able to stick around longer also helps with that; if you die constantly you'll be spending more time slapping the Hollow Knight and watching the Radiance's intro than actually fighting and learning.
I've got nothing against extra masks, especially when trying to get your first win or when doing shell binding in pantheons - I use Lifeblood Heart for those. I just thought having both Lifeblood Core and Joni's Blessing on was a bit much.

Originally posted by nuclearTrunk:
So, accidentally I beat her. Definitely, it was 99% luck - almost whole fight there were only easy-to-dodge patterns.
About charms. I use Soul Catcher, Shaman Stone, Lifeblood Core and Unbreakable Strength.
Nice! And a well-rounded charm combo too (for damage, soul gain, and extra life). You're probably just getting better at dodging too though. :P
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