is it possible to reach the charm notch in fog canyon without the tear and without the wings?

[Nerevar]

couldnt find anything on this when googleing so i ask here :

is it possible to get past that first acid pool in that room somehow without the tear and the wings at all? cause i dont seem to be getting any timed jumps right to get anywhere.

[Noborus]

Dash Jumps should work, though i don't really remember much about that area.

[Whiskra]

The only way would be to do a perfect dash under the first wall, then pogo on the Ooma when it's at its lowest, and then cling to the wall without getting hit by the homing missile, though the Ooma might not ever get low enough.

Edit: Testing it myself, it doesn't seem like you get any air by pogoing the Ooma on the other side of the wall after a perfect dash, so no it's probably not possible.

[Perseus]

I tried really hard to get it with only the dash, Vengeful Spirit, Longnail, Mark of Pride, a shade and Dreamgate, but i didn't succeed(Though i did get past the acid pool). If i had the walljump too, i could definitely have gotten it. (Dreamgate and Mark of Pride wouldn't have been required in that case.)

In other words, you only need the following : Vengeful Spirit, Mothwing Cloak, Mantis Claw, [shade skip(s) and maybe(i'm not sure if it's actually required or not) Longnail.]
(Alternatively, the things in brackets can be replaced with Crystal Heart)

So no, neither Isma's tear or Monarch Wings are required.

[Whiskra]

Perseus の投稿を引用：

I tried really hard to get it with only the dash, Vengeful Spirit, Longnail, Mark of Pride, a shade and Dreamgate, but i didn't succeed(Though i did get past the acid pool). If i had the walljump too, i could definitely have gotten it. (Dreamgate and Mark of Pride wouldn't have been required in that case.)

In other words, you only need the following : Vengeful Spirit, Mothwing Cloak, Mantis Claw, [shade skip(s) and maybe(i'm not sure if it's actually required or not) Longnail.]
(Alternatively, the things in brackets can be replaced with Crystal Heart)

So no, neither Isma's tear or Monarch Wings are required.

You can't have Mark of Pride while not having Mantis Claw. You need the Mantis Claw to get Mark of Pride.

[Perseus]

Whiskra の投稿を引用：

You can't have Mark of Pride while not having Mantis Claw. You need the Mantis Claw to get Mark of Pride.

You don't need Mantis Claw to get Mark of Pride. But it's very difficult and requires the Dream Nail to get 1 or more Mantis Youth into the right place by using it through a wall.
If you want a more detailed explanation of how to get to the big door's switch without Mantis Claw, tell me and i'll provide it.

[Nerevar]

Perseus の投稿を引用：

I tried really hard to get it with only the dash, Vengeful Spirit, Longnail, Mark of Pride, a shade and Dreamgate, but i didn't succeed(Though i did get past the acid pool). If i had the walljump too, i could definitely have gotten it. (Dreamgate and Mark of Pride wouldn't have been required in that case.)

In other words, you only need the following : Vengeful Spirit, Mothwing Cloak, Mantis Claw, [shade skip(s) and maybe(i'm not sure if it's actually required or not) Longnail.]
(Alternatively, the things in brackets can be replaced with Crystal Heart)

So no, neither Isma's tear or Monarch Wings are required.

omg i totally forgot about useing your own shade to pogo. thanks dude. so i should be able to make it.