so about the dream nail...

[KathYohneke]

I ended up checking the wiki, but end up finding dream messages in npc and boss pages from parts of the game, as far as I know, are before you ever get the dream nail. like the first encouter with a needle/tread user I wont name for spoilers.

how the heck did they get these?

[✯ El Juancho]

hax

[Omegatherion]

Diggin' in the game code most likely.
On the other hand it might be possible (not 100% sure) to farm for the lantern, then go to Crystal Peak before Green Path and make your way to the Dream Nail. But maybe you need the dash here to make it through a room or two, maybe even the wall jump. Maybe someone here can confirm this.

[Plaguelight]

Originally posted by Omegatherion:

Diggin' in the game code most likely.
On the other hand it might be possible (not 100% sure) to farm for the lantern, then go to Crystal Peak before Green Path and make your way to the Dream Nail. But maybe you need the dash here to make it through a room or two, maybe even the wall jump. Maybe someone here can confirm this.

Oh, it is. I actually had farmed for the Lantern before I left to GP, and when I accidentally stumbled into CP, I backed out quickly cause I felt I wasn't ready for that place, haha.

And it wasn't that hard to farm. Just go to fight the guard with a giant club, back to town, rinse and repeat. He drops a decent amount of Geo, but it will still take a bit of time to accumulate.

[L4z3r]

Originally posted by Omegatherion:

farm for the lantern, then go to Crystal Peak before Green Path and make your way to the Dream Nail.

This game is amazing!
Also wouldnt be surprised if some people have the area memorized and dont even need the lantern. Ive seen some speedrunners who definately wouldnt need it

[Binty]

Originally posted by dbasile:

Originally posted by Omegatherion:

farm for the lantern, then go to Crystal Peak before Green Path and make your way to the Dream Nail.

This game is amazing!
Also wouldnt be surprised if some people have the area memorized and dont even need the lantern. Ive seen some speedrunners who definately wouldnt need it

Well the thing is, the only way to get into crystal peak starting out is by either getting the desolate dive or paying the toll machine in a dark room. You can only check the toll machine if you have the lantern, so to get to crystal peak before going to city of tears, you have to have the lantern.

[L4z3r]

Wow didnt know that

[wataniyob]

I can confirm that you definitely can farm for the lantern, get into Crystal Peak, and fall down to Resting Grounds very early in the game. In one playthrough I farmed up all the geo and managed to get the Dream Nail before I even fought the False Knight and it turns out False Knight also has dream dialogue.

[Binty]

Originally posted by wataniyob:

I can confirm that you definitely can farm for the lantern, get into Crystal Peak, and fall down to Resting Grounds very early in the game. In one playthrough I farmed up all the geo and managed to get the Dream Nail before I even fought the False Knight and it turns out False Knight also has dream dialogue.

You can also leave his fight and come back later, if you want. There's a breakable wall on the right side of the arena that you can open to simply leave. You technically never have to beat him, but not beating him makes getting to the city of tears a lot trickier.