Hollow Knight

Hollow Knight

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YBG noelle 2020 年 4 月 24 日 上午 8:03
Hollow Knight vs Dark Souls 3
My friend disagrees with my opinion that Hollow Knight is a better game than Dark Souls 3. So I was wondering what others think.

Which is the better game?

Compare them in terms of story, music, gameplay, lore, and difficulty.

For the people who say that "they're two completely different games and thus they can't be compared", they have a lot of similarities and it's easy to see the comparisons.
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Pogo 2020 年 4 月 24 日 上午 8:37 
hollowknight. DS3 is linear, boring, and very pvp meta focused which leaves much to be desired when it comes to pve. It has good bosses but none of them reach the levels of the ds2 dlc bosses, meanwhile hollowknight has the best bosses in gaming. The ds3 soundtrack is just a bunch of cinematic oohing and ahhing while hollowknight actually has melody and meaning in the music, So its HK for me.
最後修改者:Pogo; 2020 年 4 月 24 日 上午 8:37
Phirestar 2020 年 4 月 24 日 上午 8:46 
As much as I do enjoy all of the Dark Souls games, they are each quite flawed in some area.
  • DS1 has a bad endgame
  • DS2 has cheap difficulty
  • DS3 is linear
And all three games also have inconsistent boss quality. Though I do feel that DS3 has the best overall boss quality in the trilogy, despite the gimmick-y ones.


Hollow Knight doesn't have any of those problems, which is why it comes out on top for me.
最後修改者:Phirestar; 2020 年 4 月 24 日 上午 8:49
R~ 2020 年 4 月 24 日 上午 9:33 
hollow knight is better
TommyEV 2020 年 4 月 24 日 上午 10:07 
Give me DS3 any day.
Phirestar 2020 年 4 月 24 日 上午 10:46 
引用自 OriginalUserName
HK is also linear, you need to progress through certain areas before reaching others. You only get to choose between areas near the end.
Actually no, that is not true.

You have the ability to deviate from the main path as soon as you acquire the Mantis Claw. You can take the path over by Cornifer's location in the Fungal Wastes and drop down into Deepnest, go around and grab the Tram Pass, take the tram at the bottom of the map across and access the Ancient Basin, Kingdom's Edge, The Hive (using a skip), the right side of the City of Tear, and the Resting Grounds - all before entering the City of Tears through the intended entrance.

You can get into the Crystal Peak with the Lumafly Lantern and drop into the Resting Grounds to get the Dream Nail before fighting the False Knight, too. And as soon as you have the Lantern and the Mantis Claw, you can go grab the Crystal Heart and utilize some skips to get into the entirety of Fog Canyon and the Queen's Gardens.

With the Mothwing Cloak, Mantis Claw, and Crystal Heart, you can access nearly every area in the game from very early on, and can still get into more stuff earlier with additional skips. (I think that pretty much every acid pool can be skipped with Crystal Heart, rendering Isma's Tear technically useless. Although some require having the Monarch Wings as well.)

The only two full regions you can't access at that point are the White Palace and Abyss. Everything else, you can do in basically order you please.


引用自 OriginalUserName
HK has its fair-share of gimmicky bosses too but the bigger problem is that most of HK's bosses are the same just with different skins.
Subjective.

I never found any of the bosses to be too gimmick-y, personally. There were a handful of unbalanced ones - especially Ascended versions of some boss arenas in Godmaster - but I can't agree with gimmick-y. Nothing in Hollow Knight was anything like Ancient Wyvern or Deacons of the Deep.


引用自 OriginalUserName
HK also reused a lot of bosses and most of those are the same, except they have more HP and do more damage.
Out of the 47 bosses in the game, there are only 12 'Boss Variants' as labelled by the wiki. (Although technically I don't consider Grey Prince Zote as a variant, because it is nowhere near the same fight as Zote the Might.)

So that's still 35 unique bosses - a highly worthy competitor to any FromSoft title.
最後修改者:Phirestar; 2020 年 4 月 24 日 上午 10:58
raw maw 2020 年 4 月 24 日 上午 10:49 
Even though you state: "For the people who say that "they're two completely different games and thus they can't be compared", they have a lot of similarities and it's easy to see the comparisons."

I entirely disagree that they're similar enough to actually be compared legit & fairly.
As I've spent a handful of hours on Dark Souls 3 on Steam, and finished it on Xbox One.
I will and can say they're basically nothing alike...

Besides of course the atmosphere and mood, even ambience. That plus the huge amount of combat in the game. Plus the addition of upgrades, plus a lot of smaller things.

Yet I'll answer anyway.

Personally I feel like the story/lore is a lot more cryptic and just all around better in Hollow Knight, compared to Dark Souls 3. Which I enjoy.
Same with music, maybe only because it's more "catchy" in my opinion. Which I also enjoy the most.

Game-play I'm pretty split, 50/50, for me. As DK3 is a great 3D game, and HK is a fantastic 2D game.
In HK I feel a lot more powerful and speedy.
Whilst in DK3, I feel slower and more vulnerable.
So my opinion is gonna be HK, as I enjoy that kind of game-play the most.

Difficulty I felt cheesed constantly in DK3, and sometimes yet rarely in HK. Mostly in combat scenarios and such.
Personally I feel as if DK3 is pretty unfair, with you compared to your enemies and foes.
Didn't quite feel the same in HK.


And just as a "FYI", I haven't played or finished any other Dark Souls games, except Dark Souls 3.
And just also love 2D games more. So I may be a bit biased, sorry for that.
最後修改者:raw maw; 2020 年 4 月 24 日 上午 10:51
Phirestar 2020 年 4 月 24 日 上午 11:07 
引用自 OriginalUserName
It's really not a competitor: most of the boss "variants" are just hovering/teleporting enemies summoning magic effects or just simple one trick ponies. The more "complex" ones usually summon pillars, horizontal stuff and some tracking projectiles. Even if they have different skins they're still mostly the same. Hornet, the dream bosses, grim, godmaster - all reused content. The dream warriors and some early bosses do the exact same thing for the entire fight and repeat 1-2 attacks. The broken vessel has a lot of clones - it has a dream boss variant and the hollow knight is just a slightly modified version of it. And the hk also has a godmaster variant.
To each their own.

I didn't view them that way.
Phirestar 2020 年 4 月 24 日 上午 11:19 
引用自 OriginalUserName
引用自 Phirestar
To each their own.

I didn't view them that way.

I didn't even start to think about this the first time I finished HK. Then I created another save a few years later and after the mantis lords I wasn't impressed with the boss design - it was too monotonic for me, I felt like I'm fighting the same bosses but with slightly different hitboxes. Anyway, I didn't play HK because of the boss design. And even if it would be purely linear I would still like it.
I didn't play it for the boss design either. I got Hollow Knight because I saw a video of someone walk around the Forgotten Crossroads and decided, "Hey, that game looks kind of interesting. I'll buy that and see what it's like."

(Come to find out, it ended up being my favorite game of last decade.)

But I will say that Hollow Knight's boss fights, and overall difficulty, led me into playing the Souls games.
Windsor_Sofia 2020 年 4 月 25 日 下午 5:03 
Generally speaking,they both have their own advantages,it‘s hard to compare which is better.Meaningless comparison is making a war between lovers of sides
Onni 2020 年 4 月 25 日 下午 7:01 
Dark Souls 3 has my love for getting me in to games like Cuphead, Hollow Knight, and Sekiro but Hollow Knight is overall better.
Acolyte 2020 年 4 月 26 日 上午 3:42 
Hollow knight did its best. Its music is still very chill and memorable. Its bosses are still kinda good. The lore and blending with the environments is also good. This is the very best that a 2d game worked on by a team of 3 indie devs could do.

Much like originalusername says, however, ds3 is close to being a tripleA for its time. It has more of everything that hollow knight has. More depth, lore, quality, builds, replayability, and even has a nostalgia factor ontop of that for anyone who's been a souls fan since the beginning. Ds3 is inevitably better than hollow knight. Not FAR better, but no matter how good it is, you cannot compare it to a tripleA title of similar high quality, with 10x the manpower and an experienced souls game designer on the lead.
Zombie Cat 2020 年 4 月 26 日 上午 4:03 
Sekiro is better.
MorningStar 2020 年 4 月 28 日 上午 1:05 
hk
Abel 2020 年 4 月 28 日 上午 2:16 
Dark Souls better than Hallow Knight
Jotun 2020 年 4 月 28 日 上午 5:34 
I don't understand people saying that DkS III is linear. It's not. Is it more linear than DkS I or Hollow Knight? Yes absolutely.

But after you pass the undead settlement, you can either go for the Cathedral OR Farron's keep first. You can do the Curserotted Wood boss any time at that point. Then you can do Yhorm OR Aldritch and go to Dragon Peak anytime. You can go to Lothric castle super early (before Vordt even) and have Oceiros being your second boss fight and Dancer your first. If you add the DLCs you can basically do the first DLC early on or leave it for later.

That is not what a linear game is. It might have seemed linear to you because you finished it once. But I've finished 3 times and that's not what linear game looks like. Most Mass Effect or Dragon Age games were much more linear than DkS 3. I'm no expert of DkS II (I dislike it) but it seemed to me that DkS II and III were quite similar linearity wise and the world of DkS III wasn't as disjointed as the one of DkS II.

Now, I can't really say which game is better. So far I've found the bosses in Dark Souls 3 more interesting but I haven't finished Hollow Knight yet. HK feels also a tad more forgiving and easier than DkS III. The artistic vision and direction is amazing in both games and they are pretty equal in that regard.

I would say if you can't stand platformers you'll prefer DkS III and if you can't stand 3D games with intense fights and relentless enemies you'll prefer Hollow Knight.
最後修改者:Jotun; 2020 年 4 月 28 日 上午 5:36
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