Is Grey Prince Zote a Boss That Needs to be Changed?

[Generic White Male]

Ok, so I know most people are going to say git gud about this. I finally beat him after around 15 attempts. My charms were hiveblood, quick focus, and spores. I think the problems with this fight are: the hitbox when zote is flailing his sword around (it is too large), that the bats he summons take two hits, and how much health Zote has. First, the hitbox when Zote is flailing around his sword is a bit too large. More importantly, the bats that he summons take two hits. They can resolve this by only summoning one bat per attack that he throws one out and keeping the bats two hit, making both bats one hit, or removing the bats entirely (which probably wont happen). After a while it just feels like with any boss that summons other enemies or obstacles that shoot out: stop being a scared little ♥♥♥♥♥ and fight me like a true warrior. I ESPECIALLY feel this way with this boss. Finally though, Zote has way, way too much health. Even with a blade I upgraded twice it took around 82-90 hits to kill this guy. That is ridiculous because of him being unpredictable, how there is hardly any time to actually heal, and how frequently he summons those stupid bats. I may be getting mad over small things but they really change the fight. Alright I am done releasing my rage.

[awanderingswordsman]

There is a range where you can pop them without getting hit so it's more useful to able to oneshot them.

[Alliesaurus]

Best to fight grey prince after getting the 3 pale ore nail upgrade, quick focus and quick slash, have you beaten all 4 versions of grey prince or just the first one?

[insane]

Not really. He's the hardest boss in the game by a long shot to be consistent at, including the hardest of the post-game bosses because of how, if you get really unlucky, there isn't anything you can do. If the balloons explode while he's jumping, you can't see or hear him and you just get hit. If you're unlucky when he spawns the balloons, you take 2 damage from them spawning directly ontop of you. These are only a couple of examples, and there are more, but GPZ is the most rng-based boss at that difficulty level, which makes him very difficult, but that does not have any effect on normal gameplay, only tryhard completionist gameplay--so, my gameplay.

In conclusion, he's the hardest boss in the game for me, but for the wrong reasons, but overall, the only bad things about this game are the hitboxes and its buffer moves IMO.

[clabu]

This game is flawless, git gud.

[Jelly Sandwich]

引用自 Chrees：

He's the hardest boss in the game by a long shot

He is not. Absolute Radiance is the hardest boss in the game.

[Nova Solarius]

引用自 Snake of Alaska：

引用自 Chrees：

He's the hardest boss in the game by a long shot

He is not. Absolute Radiance is the hardest boss in the game.

Does Absolute Radiance deal eight masks of damage with every hit? GPZ's final form does.

[insane]

引用自 Snake of Alaska：

引用自 Chrees：

He's the hardest boss in the game by a long shot

He is not. Absolute Radiance is the hardest boss in the game.

For some reason you've just created an alternate version of my argument in which you're correct just so that you can tell me I'm wrong. I said to be consistent at.

As much as you wanna call absrad stupid rng ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, it's nowhere near as hard as gpz to be consistent at. I'm not talking about GPZ's final form where he deals eight masks of damage, either. If you die to absolute radiance any other time than in radiant, it was your fault entirely, even if you're doing all bindings pantheon 5. Absolute radiance cannot combo you, and cannot spawn anything ontop of you.

[Alliesaurus]

GPZ barely telegraphs his attacks whereas you know what radiance will do

[fillername]

Attuned Absrad is way harder than GPZ 10. In order to even get to GPZ 10 you have to have a grasp on his patterns. The jump isn't that bad. Absrad is just absurd no matter what. Source: Done both, Absrad took longer. I also think Zote telegraphs his attacks fairly well, besides the sword flail. Giving that a better tell would make the fight much better IMO.

[insane]

引用自 fillername：

Attuned Absrad is way harder than GPZ 10. In order to even get to GPZ 10 you have to have a grasp on his patterns. The jump isn't that bad. Absrad is just absurd no matter what. Source: Done both, Absrad took longer. I also think Zote telegraphs his attacks fairly well, besides the sword flail. Giving that a better tell would make the fight much better IMO.

Worst part about the sword flail is if he's blocking you from above when he starts the attack, you can't even shade dash through him because he changes directions instantly.

Anyway, length of time taken to beat boss x is a flawed way to rank a boss on every 'plane' of difficulty. Radiant absolute radiance took me at least an order of magnitude longer time to beat than radiant zote, but if I fought them both ten times on ascended charmless, I'd probably beat absrad every time, and zote maybe 8-9/10 times because zote is less predictable, although easier in general.

[Jelly Sandwich]

引用自 Nova Solarius：

引用自 Snake of Alaska：

He is not. Absolute Radiance is the hardest boss in the game.

Does Absolute Radiance deal eight masks of damage with every hit? GPZ's final form does.

I beat every boss on radiance difficulty where one hit means death. Only absolute radiance is left and I beat her only 2 times on attuned (normal) difficulty.

[Jelly Sandwich]

引用自 Chrees：

引用自 Snake of Alaska：

He is not. Absolute Radiance is the hardest boss in the game.

For some reason you've just created an alternate version of my argument in which you're correct just so that you can tell me I'm wrong. I said to be consistent at.

As much as you wanna call absrad stupid rng ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, it's nowhere near as hard as gpz to be consistent at. I'm not talking about GPZ's final form where he deals eight masks of damage, either. If you die to absolute radiance any other time than in radiant, it was your fault entirely, even if you're doing all bindings pantheon 5. Absolute radiance cannot combo you, and cannot spawn anything ontop of you.

She does spawn orbs on top of you and her attacks can overlaps which can make shadow dash impossible unless you have enough time and souls for Descending Dark. Her laser attack is also very hard to react , especially the second and the third attack where the pattern can change unexpectedly.

[insane]

引用自 Snake of Alaska：

引用自 Chrees：

For some reason you've just created an alternate version of my argument in which you're correct just so that you can tell me I'm wrong. I said to be consistent at.

As much as you wanna call absrad stupid rng ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, it's nowhere near as hard as gpz to be consistent at. I'm not talking about GPZ's final form where he deals eight masks of damage, either. If you die to absolute radiance any other time than in radiant, it was your fault entirely, even if you're doing all bindings pantheon 5. Absolute radiance cannot combo you, and cannot spawn anything ontop of you.

She does spawn orbs on top of you and her attacks can overlaps which can make shadow dash impossible unless you have enough time and souls for Descending Dark. Her laser attack is also very hard to react , especially the second and the third attack where the pattern can change unexpectedly.

man trust me absrad does not spawn orbs ontop of you. I have never had a problem with soul even when using the soul binding, and so I don't know how you do. The laser attack is a blessing because the first lasers are very easy to react to and the second and third will never shoot in the same place as the previous lasers did.

[Jelly Sandwich]

引用自 Chrees：

引用自 Snake of Alaska：

She does spawn orbs on top of you and her attacks can overlaps which can make shadow dash impossible unless you have enough time and souls for Descending Dark. Her laser attack is also very hard to react , especially the second and the third attack where the pattern can change unexpectedly.

man trust me absrad does not spawn orbs ontop of you. I have never had a problem with soul even when using the soul binding, and so I don't know how you do. The laser attack is a blessing because the first lasers are very easy to react to and the second and third will never shoot in the same place as the previous lasers did.

Yes she does spawn orbs on top of you. Just now I was standing still to react to her next attack and she spawned an orb directly on me and her laser attacks can attack on the same place, not always, but she does that.

[insane]

引用自 Snake of Alaska：

引用自 Chrees：

man trust me absrad does not spawn orbs ontop of you. I have never had a problem with soul even when using the soul binding, and so I don't know how you do. The laser attack is a blessing because the first lasers are very easy to react to and the second and third will never shoot in the same place as the previous lasers did.

Yes she does spawn orbs on top of you. Just now I was standing still to react to her next attack and she spawned an orb directly on me and her laser attacks can attack on the same place, not always, but she does that.

man I don't know why you keep trying to argue your incorrect points. It is an objective fact that, in version 1.4.3.2 of hollow knight, absolute radiance never shoots lasers in the same spots twice in a row, and cannot spawn orbs ontop of you in any phase.