is the hollow knight a good ending?

[big poo's brother]

?

[j79415]

depends on how you think.
sacrifice yourself to save whole Hallownest or sealed siblings for a temporarily peace.

[Syndiciate]

No because, like the Hollow Knight himself, you're an imperfect vessel at that point. Sealed siblings can be a good ending depending on your viewpoint.

[Tat011]

Harrison původně napsal:

No because, like the Hollow Knight himself, you're an imperfect vessel at that point.

Care to provide evidence?

[Omegatherion]

Harrison původně napsal:

No because, like the Hollow Knight himself, you're an imperfect vessel at that point. Sealed siblings can be a good ending depending on your viewpoint.

You are a perfect vessel as soon as you get the Void Heart and become one with the Void.

[Tat011]

Omegatherion původně napsal:

Harrison původně napsal:

No because, like the Hollow Knight himself, you're an imperfect vessel at that point. Sealed siblings can be a good ending depending on your viewpoint.

You are a perfect vessel as soon as you get the Void Heart and become one with the Void.

Not really...

[khandha]

Omegatherion původně napsal:

Harrison původně napsal:

No because, like the Hollow Knight himself, you're an imperfect vessel at that point. Sealed siblings can be a good ending depending on your viewpoint.

You are a perfect vessel as soon as you get the Void Heart and become one with the Void.

Or maybe the whole concept of the vessel is flawed and thus the reason for the 3rd ending.

[Tat011]

Or maybe all of you are just making wild claims without evidence.

[arceus03]

Tat011 původně napsal:

Care to provide evidence?

What Hornet said when you meet her in The Abyss, after getting Shade Cloak:

Prolong our world's stasis or face the heart of its infection.

The first one is understood as you replacing the Vessel as the Hollow Knight, and you could get it done alone or get Hornet trapped alongside with you. True, the player might be a perfect vessel and could possibly prevent the "leak" as it happened previously with the Hollow Knighy but in essence, the Radiance is still very much... alive? She would still exist, thus prolonging the stasis. And one day, she might just break free again.

Facing the heart of its infection would mean that you eradicate the Radiance once and for all.

Even when you speak to the White Lady, her first request towards you was "I implore you, usurp the Vessel. ... You could contain that thing inside."

But after completing Kingsoul, she (sorta) changed her mind: Is it more than simply a Vessel?

And even more so after getting Void Heart:
The fate of our Kingdom, our Hallownest... that future belongs to you now.


At least that's how I interpret it. Feel free to disagree.

[Tat011]

arceus03 původně napsal:

Tat011 původně napsal:

Care to provide evidence?

What Hornet said when you meet her in The Abyss, after getting Shade Cloak:

Prolong our world's stasis or face the heart of its infection.

The first one is understood as you replacing the Vessel as the Hollow Knight, and you could get it done alone or get Hornet trapped alongside with you. True, the player might be a perfect vessel and could possibly prevent the "leak" as it happened previously with the Hollow Knighy but in essence, the Radiance is still very much... alive? She would still exist, thus prolonging the stasis. And one day, she might just break free again.

Facing the heart of its infection would mean that you eradicate the Radiance once and for all.

At least that's how I interpret it. Feel free to disagree.

I agree with that, my problem is when people suggest that the main character isn't hollow when there is no evidence of that.

[Syndiciate]

Tat011 původně napsal:

Harrison původně napsal:

No because, like the Hollow Knight himself, you're an imperfect vessel at that point.

Care to provide evidence?

The simple fact that you don't possess the Void Heart in the Hollow Knight ending. Once you get the Void Heart this ending is locked to you.

Omegatherion původně napsal:

Harrison původně napsal:

No because, like the Hollow Knight himself, you're an imperfect vessel at that point. Sealed siblings can be a good ending depending on your viewpoint.

You are a perfect vessel as soon as you get the Void Heart and become one with the Void.

Yes. Ergo, why the Hollow Knight ending is a bad ending. Because you don't have the Void Heart at that point and thus you're simply acting as the Hollow Knight's temporary replacement.

[Syndiciate]

Tat011 původně napsal:

arceus03 původně napsal:

What Hornet said when you meet her in The Abyss, after getting Shade Cloak:



The first one is understood as you replacing the Vessel as the Hollow Knight, and you could get it done alone or get Hornet trapped alongside with you. True, the player might be a perfect vessel and could possibly prevent the "leak" as it happened previously with the Hollow Knighy but in essence, the Radiance is still very much... alive? She would still exist, thus prolonging the stasis. And one day, she might just break free again.

Facing the heart of its infection would mean that you eradicate the Radiance once and for all.

At least that's how I interpret it. Feel free to disagree.

I agree with that, my problem is when people suggest that the main character isn't hollow when there is no evidence of that.

You don't need to provide evidence for a negative statement. It's up to the claimant to prove that the Knight IS hallow. I agree that with the Void Heart he becomes a "perfect vessel" but without it there's nothing to suggest he would be an improvement upon the current Hallow Knight.

[GeminiEclipse]

I kind of get the impression that despite the game constantly calling them hollow they aren't.

It's more metaphorical opinion than any solid facts though. Like the whole game is just about the journey and how far you are willing to go.

Why did the Knight go through all this trouble? Because he was created to? Or because there was someone he cared about?

The one scene where Hollow Knight follows the Pale King, and the Knight gets knocked down back into the Abyss. To me it looked like two brothers. One going forward to save the other.

What better motivation can you put behind a character to go through such an arduous journey? You can't be empty to have feelings like that.

[khandha]

Tat011 původně napsal:

I agree with that, my problem is when people suggest that the main character isn't hollow when there is no evidence of that.

I don't think anyone was implying that (I wasn't at least). A vessel can be hollow and still have flaws in it's shell. The Hollow Knight was hollow and it failed as the vessel.

So the question is more "is it even possible to truely contain it? or is the only real solution to destroy it?" I don't think there's really any solid evidence in the game if the 2nd ending will be effective in the long run, but it's definitely hinted that the first ending will not work forever.

[Tat011]

Harrison původně napsal:

Tat011 původně napsal:

Care to provide evidence?

The simple fact that you don't possess the Void Heart in the Hollow Knight ending. Once you get the Void Heart this ending is locked to you.

that doesn't mean anything, besides the ending is only different in that hornet accompanies the knight.

Harrison původně napsal:

You don't need to provide evidence for a negative statement. It's up to the claimant to prove that the Knight IS hallow. I agree that with the Void Heart he becomes a "perfect vessel" but without it there's nothing to suggest he would be an improvement upon the current Hallow Knight.

The description of the charm is "an emptiness that was hidden within, now unconstrained" this literally says that the night was hollow before.

[Omegatherion]

khandha původně napsal:

Tat011 původně napsal:

The Hollow Knight was hollow and it failed as the vessel.

The Hollow Knight was not perfectly hollow due to an unnoticed flaw. This is hinted at in the Birthplace and PoP Cutscenes. A reason could have been that the Pale King did indeed develop fatherly feelings for the HK and unintentionally "taught" him having emotions/feelings or something. But the perfect Hollow Knight is not supposed to have a mind of it's own.

"No mind to think, no will to break"