Pure Vessel is harder than NKG

[Boa]

Change my mind

[Appaguchee]

Personally, PV is harder than NKG... part of that because you face grimm before NKG... you face a weaker version and know how to adapt sooner and already know most of the attacks. Another part is that NKG has more wind up time before attacks. The pure vessel blitzes towards you and leaves almost no time to respond. Most of the people who do videos of it jump BEFORE the pure vessel even attacks, they dont know what attacks its going to do. You dont get the weaker version of the pure vessel either, the hollow knight is completely different in almost every way, and has roughly a 3 times longer windup. I beat both on ascended mode, and you have only about 3 masks you can heal from pure vesels attacks. that means you can not recover from even one hit, while NKG lets you.

Radiant Absolute Radiance is harder than both radient versions though.

[bugs when u lift up a rock ^^]

Originally posted by Marc Explorer:

Ok. I won't. Because I'm actually one of those crazies who found the Raidance harder than Nightmare King Grimm anyway. [/quote]
The Radiance was harder for me than both tbh its fine.

[Swirl]

For me, they both ended up using the same basic openings. Dash toward them during their ranged move. For PV that was his radiant spear things and for NKG it was his flame bats. You can easily get 2 or 3 hits on both during/after that. Then throw in a swipe or two during their pillars. Hit both downward when they dash under you if you feel ballsy.

Depending on how you respond to both, PV technically has more openings to deal damage, but he compensates by feeling more mechanically and reflex intensive. NKG also telegraphs his attacks well despite their speed so he's easier to predict. PVs are more subtle when it comes to his sword based attacks and thus takes more time to learn.

They're... Really even honestly. NKG only took me a few tries though and I never quite felt the same difficulty from him that others lamented about personally. PV took me a few more tries than I'd like to admit however. @-@

[RYS]

I think PV and NKG are on the same level, once you learn there attack patterns their pretty much just cakewalks.

[Yazu13]

Pure Vessel is harder only because you have to fight your way to him. You can memorize each boss' pattern, but the critical difference is you can go directly back to the NKG fight if you die.

[Boa]

I miss NKG

[DJDiceZ]

Originally posted by Yazu13:

Pure Vessel is harder only because you have to fight your way to him. You can memorize each boss' pattern, but the critical difference is you can go directly back to the NKG fight if you die.

You can fight him in the Hall of Gods though. Which didn't really make him any less of a pain.

NKG is slow compared to PV.

[The Snopingasusual]

I've finally beaten Pure Vessel after 25 min of tryhard at the hall of gods (beaten the fourth pantheon too)

I've finally beaten NKG after 1 h 30 min of tryhard.

[DJDiceZ]

Originally posted by Appaguchee:

Personally, PV is harder than NKG... part of that because you face grimm before NKG... you face a weaker version and know how to adapt sooner and already know most of the attacks

By the way that argument doesn't hold up, because technically PV is a harder version of Hollow Knight, which people could have gotten plenty of time to get used to pattern-wise.

[Boa]

3 days of trying and still cant beat pantheon 4

[ZetaStriker]

I definitely find PV harder than NKG myself, mostly for two reasons. One is that all of NKG's attacks can be easily dodged by just jumping away from him when he teleports, whereas PV has a few attacks you need to dodge through or double jump over. The other is that PV seems faster, and you have less time to react to what he's doing than you do with NKG. There similar tiers of bosses, but I can kill NKG much more reliably than PV.

[Appaguchee]

Originally posted by DJDiceZ:

Originally posted by Appaguchee:

Personally, PV is harder than NKG... part of that because you face grimm before NKG... you face a weaker version and know how to adapt sooner and already know most of the attacks

By the way that argument doesn't hold up, because technically PV is a harder version of Hollow Knight, which people could have gotten plenty of time to get used to pattern-wise.

Wellllll... Look at the speed difference.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8nzzR-jDWA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2m_j6Ziz3vQ

The first video's nice because it slows it down. Anyways the attack speed of the pure vessel is much faster, it gains the dash, the void tentacles, the holy circle thingies and such. Hollow knight gets the infected slam. (As a note, the pillar attacks are very different, as well as the projectile ones.) Another example is how when you attack the block of the pure vessel, it chains attacks instead of just slashes, which is all the hollow knight does. Pure vessel is different, but is still the dream version of hollow knight, ill admit. (NKG is closer to Grimm than PV to THK)

[Obamanation]

I find PV to be more difficult mostly because his attacks do not seem to be as consistent, and he seems to be able to start attacks off-screen more often than NKG would.

For example, for PV the knife throw ranged attack can be different versions of the angles the knives are propelled from. Whereas NKG, the ranged bats attack always occurs the same way every time (unless you interrupt him mid attack so he teleports and finishes the remaining bats).

This makes PV range knife attack harder to dodge, since the same height/distance from him won't work for each time he uses that attack, and if your shadow dash is off CD, just aiming for a dash through may end up in damage being done.

2nd, I find PV can be further offscreen and offscreen more often when he does some abilities, the teleport charge in particular (and maybe the tendrils to lesser extent). It doesn't have much of a sound cue beforehand to dodge an offscreen charge coming at you.

These may just be nitpicky, but I do find NKG to be a more consistently fair fight. Whereas PV some hits or situations come up seem a little bs.

[live22morrow]

Pure Vessel is harder than NKG. And ascended Markoth is harder than both.

[The Snopingasusual]

Originally posted by live22morrow:

Pure Vessel is harder than NKG. And ascended Markoth is harder than both.

Totallly