Godhome and Banishment interaction

[Iki10]

Does anyone know if you banish the grimm troupe. If Grimm still shows up in the godhome. I want to banish them but might not if you can't unlock grimm that way.

[Aeternalis the Abyssal Alchemist]

Grimm will show up in the middle of the 3rd pantheon, and Nightmare King will show up near the end of the 5th pantheon.
If you choose Banishment, Nightmare King will still be in the 5th pantheon, and beating him there will unlock his statue in the Hall of Gods.

Carfree Melody isn't very good though(0% chance to block, increases by 10% to 20% each time you get hit, upto 90%, resets to 0% whenever it procs successfully. On average, it doesn't even block a fourth of the hits you take). It might be worth 2 notches, but not 3.
The only major boon it has going for it is that it can potentially allow you to take a hit in a Radiant bossfight, since CM's hit counter doesn't reset on dream death.

[Iki10]

Thank You. I know the charm is subpar, I'm just doing it because I like that story ending. The child charm isn't great either.

[Nibbie]

When I did the banish I just had NKG in the Hall, didn't have to encounter him first, so yes, he will still show up, you're good.

[Iki10]

I guess we didn't really do that good of a job banishing him if he's still around, lol.

[Iki10]

Just thought of this. If you banish the troupe you lose a charm notch. So I wonder if it's not worth it if you're going for the Godmaster dlc. Even if that ending is awesome.

[SkyBars]

Originally posted by Iki10:

Just thought of this. If you banish the troupe you lose a charm notch. So I wonder if it's not worth it if you're going for the Godmaster dlc. Even if that ending is awesome.

No you don't . You get it for first fight with Grimm anyway

[Iki10]

If you banish them you never fight grimm at all. Otherwise you are correct, that is why you miss out on it.

[SkyBars]

Originally posted by Iki10:

If you banish them you never fight grimm at all. Otherwise you are correct, that is why you miss out on it.

You fight Grimm master of the troupe or whoever he is for the first time anyway . That's the point where you get charm notch . You can banish only the second form

[Miri Ryllis ミリス]

Originally posted by Iki10:

If you banish them you never fight grimm at all. Otherwise you are correct, that is why you miss out on it.

You only get the option to banish them AFTER killing Grimm's first incarnation. Thus you dont miss out on any charm notch unless you just ignored opening the chest

[Iki10]

Derp, just sobered up. I was thinking with my foggy brain that you only did two flame collections total. Now I remember you do three. Two leading up to grimm fight and one after during which you can banish. Mb y'all.

[thebiomage]

I've used the Carfree Melody quite a lot in the radiant fights since you should always overcharm anyway, making it cost just one charm notch.

Also for me the nightmare king was instantly available in the hall of gods before doing any pantheons, even though I had banished the troupe. I did beat him on another save file though, couldn't tell if that has anything to do with it.