Traitor Lord is about to make me quit.

[Vicious]

♥♥♥♥. This. Fight.

Who the hell thoght any of this was a good idea?

I made a dream gate right next to it, so at least I don't have to do the platforming ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥t, but everything about this fight sucks. I'm not sure Cloth is even hitting him, to be honest. She just gets in the way.

♥♥♥♥ those disks he throws in particular, everything else is relatively simple to dodge.

Get I get some tips please, and maybe charm setups that would help? I have 9 notches.

[Schweem]

Lol, only the OG's remember how pointless and easy he used to be.

[Howl]

lol i killed him for first time. but idk how

[MEXAH]

how the heck you think to defeat King of Nightmare if such less boss make you butthurt?

[Vicious]

Originally posted by ME.XAH:

how the heck you think to defeat King of Nightmare if such less boss make you butthurt?

Because Nightmare King Grimm, while a harder fight is also a much more "fair" fight. It took me longer to beat him, but every loss felt like it was MY fault, not the game throwing ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ my way.

[bioniclemaster1992]

Okay kid, I'm about to make your day. I cheesed him so hard, and what I did was equip weaversong, glowing womb, Grimm child, sprintmaster, and defender crest. All you gotta do is dodge all his attacks and let your summons attack him. Easy af. Believe me, I'm right there with you. There's a difference between challenging and I wanna kill the next person who talks to me challenging.

[Vicious]

Originally posted by bioniclemaster1992:

Okay kid, I'm about to make your day. I cheesed him so hard, and what I did was equip weaversong, glowing womb, Grimm child, sprintmaster, and defender crest. All you gotta do is dodge all his attacks and let your summons attack him. Easy af. Believe me, I'm right there with you. There's a difference between challenging and I wanna kill the next person who talks to me challenging.

Oh, I did almost exactly this. Except instead of dodging, you can literally just hang on the right wall at the very top (either jumping or Crystal heart) and the only attack that can ever hit you is his shockwave, and you just let your pets kill him.

Basically cheating, but like I said, it's a terrible fight.

[bioniclemaster1992]

Originally posted by Vicious:

Originally posted by bioniclemaster1992:

Okay kid, I'm about to make your day. I cheesed him so hard, and what I did was equip weaversong, glowing womb, Grimm child, sprintmaster, and defender crest. All you gotta do is dodge all his attacks and let your summons attack him. Easy af. Believe me, I'm right there with you. There's a difference between challenging and I wanna kill the next person who talks to me challenging.

Oh, I did almost exactly this. Except instead of dodging, you can literally just hang on the right wall at the very top (either jumping or Crystal heart) and the only attack that can ever hit you is his shockwave, and you just let your pets kill him.

Basically cheating, but like I said, it's a terrible fight.

I tried to do this, but cloth got in the way, which let the boss position himself just so so that he hits me anyway

[PolyEsther]

Hardest non-dream boss is watcher knights, maybe just because I fought them right after acquiring the double jump, but they were absolutely absurd.

[Vicious]

Did you do the chandelier thing?

That Dreamer was one of the last things I did, so I brute forced them.

[Omegatherion]

The only really difficult thing about the new Traitor Lord are his stupid orange discs. Everything else is pretty good and fair. But avoiding those discs can be a pain and sometimes seems to be just impossible.

[Vicious]

Originally posted by Omegatherion:

The only really difficult thing about the new Traitor Lord are his stupid orange discs. Everything else is pretty good and fair. But avoiding those discs can be a pain and sometimes seems to be just impossible.

Agreed. Especially when he decides to throw them out during the Shockwave.

Itd be a significantly better fight if the disk flight path was better/easier to avoid.

[Epic_Caesura]

While I agree that Traitor Lord is hard, I think some folks are missing how this fight is designed to force you to use the shade cloak to avoid things. You're not *supposed* to dodge his attacks -- you're supposed to go right through them without a scratch. If you're trying to entirely avoid his attacks, you're taking by far the harder approach to the fight.

[Vicious]

Originally posted by Epic_Caesura:

While I agree that Traitor Lord is hard, I think some folks are missing how this fight is designed to force you to use the shade cloak to avoid things. You're not *supposed* to dodge his attacks -- you're supposed to go right through them without a scratch. If you're trying to entirely avoid his attacks, you're taking by far the harder approach to the fight.

See, I tried that. Dodging HIM, isn't ab issue, it's when he starts spamming Shockwaves abd disks that where it becomes a problem. The discs especially. I know you CAN go though them with shade cloak,l because Ive done it, but the window seems super tight.

[Epic_Caesura]

Well, by "his attacks" I also meant his projectiles -- the wave and disks. He shoots or charges, you go through and hit him, repeat. I lost to him quite badly several times in a row before I started saving my dash so I'd have the shade up; I won fairly easily on the second attempt after that. If you're struggling to go through things, Sharp Shadow and Dashmaster make the dash longer (and hurt TL as well)

[Dingbat]

Hive Knight gave me the most agita out of any boss so far, Traitor Lord was up there though but I still beat him in one sitting.