This is so sad

[J-12]

Can we have a good ending?

[Desticler]

I mean, "Sealed Siblings" and "Dream No More" are both good endings since Hallownest is saved forever. Unless you mean the fact main character dies in all endings, in which case know that some believe that in "Dream No More" he just left his body and returned to Void with his siblings.

[J-12]

Well, what little guy did was very heroic, (he couldve just leave that place, right? ) by standarts of any other universe he certainly deserved some better reward than just being cast back into wherever he went. Like, you know, STAY ALIVE at least for some time to feel greatfullness of all other characters.
Actualy there isnt that many of those. What a waste of a hero's life.

[Darc Vader]

I mean technically he only 'dies' in the Dream No More ending. in the others he just gets chained up in an eternal mental struggle for the remainder of his life...

...that's not exactly better.

[TheBrightKing]

Originally posted by Desticler:

I mean, "Sealed Siblings" and "Dream No More" are both good endings since Hallownest is saved forever. Unless you mean the fact main character dies in all endings, in which case know that some believe that in "Dream No More" he just left his body and returned to Void with his siblings.

Actually i think the good ones are the normal one and Dream no more since in sealed siblings you leave a seal on the door, that means the door is meant to be opened again. Also if you don't have the void heart (only the normal ending is obtainable) the white lady explicitly tells you that you are completely empty and pure and you can contain raadiance forever saving the kingdom.

That dialogue changes when you get the void heart, at that point it's saving the kingdom forever and getting rid of all light or being trapped temporarily until you get replaced like the other hk did.

Tho thats a bit of a theory, everything is at this point, and this one has a pretty solid foundation.

[J-12]

Its super uncomfortable when you write like this , pls stop that, the game is like what a year old, and if some dum-dum comes here he obviously cant not expect to see spoilers.

[TheBrightKing]

Originally posted by Evil Eye:

Its super uncomfortable when you write like this , pls stop that, the game is like what a year old, and if some dum-dum comes here he obviously cant not expect to see spoilers.

Thats why we have a spoiler chat man, if this was spoilers we would write normally. It's always better to not ruin the experience for people who didn't play the game in time, it is not fair, just becuase they arrived late to the party doesn't mean we should ruin it for them.

People has other games to play, or irl things, not everyone has unlimited time to play everything early.

[J-12]

I can guarantee you, even if somebody prior to playing this game carefully read every word in this thread (for which they have absolute zero reasons) they wouldnt understand any of it. Maybe they will remember some parts when finishing game, but not likely before that.

Anyway, i just realy wish there was the happy ending. A real happy one, not what we have in currently existing ones.

[_ALuX_]

Devs called, they said no.

[Ellixer]

I think if you telegraph within the title that this thread contains spoilers, everything going forward is fair game.

I loved the Dream No More ending as it is. It feels cathartic as hell giving the thing responsible for everything a good beating and dragging it straight to hell, and the melancholic tone right after was great contrast. Hollow Knight and Sealed Sibling are debatable in how permanent a solution they really are. The White Lady implies that it theoretically will work, but the threat is still there and Hornet seems like she would much rather you get rid of the Radiance altogether (plus in one of them she gets trapped in there permanently with you, willingly or otherwise). In Dream No More, you seem to lose physical form and the tone is melancholic, but I'm pretty sure by that point you became a god of the Void or something, so maybe it's not too bad a deal.

Plus the Hollow Knight is supposed to be devoid of emotion anyway. It along with its siblings were made to deal with the Radiance, and I'm pretty sure one of the conditions for being pure Void is that it must be free of thoughts and feelings. It does its job, it goes back to sleep. Cold? Yeah probably. But it's not like the Hollow Knight is capable of feeling grief or sadness anyway (supposedly. I mean I heard compelling evidence that suggest it has free will, but the White Lady said it's pure so I'll go with that), so on a coldly logical level, it's no great loss unless they people who know it feels sad about its "passing".

[J-12]

Yes, i did understood that "no mind to think, no will to break, no voice to cry suffering" part.
But you know, some of those higher beings could've reward him with those for his doings, for at least a while.
I also didn't say the original endings are bad in any way, the contrast of feelings it gives is surely impressive.

[Ellixer]

Fair enough. Personally though, I feel a straight happy ending may be a bit inconsistent with the game's tone and undermine the more bittersweet ones as "not the best" endings.

I do agree that there should have been a bit more of a pat on your back at least. I like the brevity of the endings, but it wouldn't go amiss to have them be just a tad less ambiguous and brief.

[TheBrightKing]

Originally posted by Evil Eye:

Yes, i did understood that "no mind to think, no will to break, no voice to cry suffering" part.
But you know, some of those higher beings could've reward him with those for his doings, for at least a while.
I also didn't say the original endings are bad in any way, the contrast of feelings it gives is surely impressive.

Well, they actually did (not intentionally tho) with one of the vessels, but it didn't go very well.

[J-12]

More details pls, i have completed game twice and have no idea about who you talking.

[Ellixer]

Originally posted by Evil Eye:

More details pls, i have completed game twice and have no idea about who you talking.

I believe it was the Hollow Knight (as in the boss). It can be inferred that the Pale King raised it as his own child. There are several supporting evidence, such as the cradle in the White Palace, the cutscene at the end of Path of Pain (as well as the resulting "Seal of Binding", which "preserves something of great importance", implying that the memory is dear to the Pale King) and several lines cut from the game (there are files indicating that one of the Hollow Knight's thoughts if you dreamnail him is simply "father?". Though this was cut, it is consistent with the other evidence). The implication is that the Pale King felt bad about sacrificing the Hollow Knight to seal the infection, so he chose to give it a childhood and a life before it had to make the final sacrifice (least that's how I choose to read it). This gesture led the Hollow Knight to grow beyond its intended function and became "impure" and incapable of containing the Radiance. One can make the case that similar things may happen to the player character if others try to treat it like an actual person.

[Goblin Rat Bastard]

This is Hollownest we're talking about. Nothing happy happens there.