Anyone knows to save-file editing to "un-kill" ghosts?

[sekai]

I wiped out a few ghosts with my Dream Nail, and then I regretted my decision.

Sure, there's a lot of debate on what Dream Nail actually does. But that's not what I'm really debating here. I dream-nailed Joni, who seems entirely fine with being a ghost and there is no real reason to stop that really, I don't even know why I did that; and then I wiped Marissa because I'd thought it would end her misery (dream-nailed her after letting her sing and finish her famous aria for the last time because I'd thought letting her perish in glory is better than being stuck lonely and confused for eternity) without realising first that at the very least, I AM her audience for the foreseeable future who can also keep her company to make up for her countless eras of solitude and there is no need to immediately dream-nail her. I feel guilty. I feel I've made a mistake dream-nailing ghosts (the warrior ghosts you can't avoid dream-nailing tho, as much as I'd rather Galien possess me and stick around than perishing) because I'd thought I knew better and without putting much thought into it, and I miss them.

Anyone knows how to save-file editing to bring them back?

If not likely, does this game have a new game plus system like Dark Souls where I could see them again?

Or I simply need to carry the burden of it unless I re-run the entire game with a blank save from start?

[wigg]

I'm pretty sure you are freeing their souls by doing that

[sekai]

Originally posted by wigg:

I'm pretty sure you are freeing their souls by doing that

It depends on your interpretation.

The main competing interpretations are that either you free them, you absorb them into yourself but not destroying them and thus they "live on" inside you (or your dream) in a sense, you simply destroy and basically eat them like food, or even more extreme you outright delete their existence entirely including all of their traces both past and present.

Whatever the interpretation is, some of the ghosts are completely fine with the way they are even if most ghosts seem unaware that they're already dead (Joni is perfectly happy with staying in that cave surrounded by his favourite blue butterflies) while others desire certain things that the player can easily fulfil (Marissa just needs someone who visit her every now and then to keep her company given she's lonely and confused from being unaware that both she and Hollownest are long dead) and dream-nailing them is being a bit of an ass tbh.

[bigzs3641]

Originally posted by Crunchyroll:

Originally posted by wigg:

I'm pretty sure you are freeing their souls by doing that

It depends on your interpretation.

The main competing interpretations are that either you free them, you absorb them into yourself but not destroying them and thus they "live on" inside you (or your dream) in a sense, you simply destroy and basically eat them like food, or even more extreme you outright delete their existence entirely including all of their traces both past and present.

Whatever the interpretation is, some of the ghosts are completely fine with the way they are even if most ghosts seem unaware that they're already dead (Joni is perfectly happy with staying in that cave surrounded by his favourite blue butterflies) while others desire certain things that the player can easily fulfil (Marissa just needs someone who visit her every now and then given she's lonely and confused and unaware that both she and Hollownest are long dead) and dream-nailing them is being a bit of an ass tbh.

My interpretation is that only Warrior Spirits have the soul of the bug inside them. They are stuck in their unfinished duty. Until you free them. Their soul goes to the afterlife and the fragments of the dream that binds them to the normal world is defeated. When you defeat them, the bugs themselves speak to you before you consume their dream.
The normal ghost on the other hand are just embodiments of the bugs last thoughts, without a soul. Best example for that is Revek. He's the embodiment of Revek's duty of protecting the glade. But when you dream nail all the ghosts in the glade, he totally collapses. If he would have a soul, he would've attacked you from revenge. But he's just... confused. He feels like he has no meaning anymore. There is nobody in the glade, so only the word protect remains in him.
"To protect? Was that my task? If so, who was I protecting? It's only you and me here."
But that's just my interpretation.

[sekai]

Originally posted by bigzs3641:

Originally posted by Crunchyroll:

It depends on your interpretation.

The main competing interpretations are that either you free them, you absorb them into yourself but not destroying them and thus they "live on" inside you (or your dream) in a sense, you simply destroy and basically eat them like food, or even more extreme you outright delete their existence entirely including all of their traces both past and present.

Whatever the interpretation is, some of the ghosts are completely fine with the way they are even if most ghosts seem unaware that they're already dead (Joni is perfectly happy with staying in that cave surrounded by his favourite blue butterflies) while others desire certain things that the player can easily fulfil (Marissa just needs someone who visit her every now and then given she's lonely and confused and unaware that both she and Hollownest are long dead) and dream-nailing them is being a bit of an ass tbh.

My interpretation is that only Warrior Spirits have the soul of the bug inside them. They are stuck in their unfinished duty. Until you free them. Their soul goes to the afterlife and the fragments of the dream that binds them to the normal world is defeated. When you defeat them, the bugs themselves speak to you before you consume their dream.
The normal ghost on the other hand are just embodiments of the bugs last thoughts, without a soul. Best example for that is Revek. He's the embodiment of Revek's duty of protecting the glade. But when you dream nail all the ghosts in the glade, he totally collapses. If he would have a soul, he would've attacked you from revenge. But he's just... confused. He feels like he has no meaning anymore. There is nobody in the glade, so only the word protect remains in him.
"To protect? Was that my task? If so, who was I protecting? It's only you and me here."
But that's just my interpretation.

Revek is sometimes used by a few as an indication that dream-nailing supposedly removes the existence of anything it touches with completely from reality including history. Revek's response could be read that once you dream-nail the other ghosts in the glade, not only do they cease to exist, the ghost and the person it belongs to NEVER existed in the first place. Seer cryptically refers the dream-nail as making ghosts become "forgotten".

Just food for thought.

[VulpinePrince]

im very late to this, but in case anyone else would like to know how:
if you open your game data (youll have to google depending on your console type) you can put it into this editor: https://bloodorca.github.io/hollow/
use the find function to make it quicker, id suggest searching for the word ghost
for marissa you need to find the following entry:
"id": "Ghost NPC",
"sceneName": "Ruins_Bathhouse"
"activated": true
"semiPersistent": false

and for joni, her id is "Ghost NPC Joni" and scene is "Cliffs_05"
the rest is the same
change the true to false in both and they should be back

[Cyan]

Originally posted by divineChaos:

im very late to this, but in case anyone else would like to know how:
if you open your game data (youll have to google depending on your console type) you can put it into this editor: https://bloodorca.github.io/hollow/
use the find function to make it quicker, id suggest searching for the word ghost
for marissa you need to find the following entry:
"id": "Ghost NPC",
"sceneName": "Ruins_Bathhouse"
"activated": true
"semiPersistent": false

and for joni, her id is "Ghost NPC Joni" and scene is "Cliffs_05"
the rest is the same
change the true to false in both and they should be back

Thank you so much for your help!
You helped me bring that poor gravedigger back to unlife

[Petie]

Originally posted by FruiitBatz:

im very late to this, but in case anyone else would like to know how:
if you open your game data (youll have to google depending on your console type) you can put it into this editor: https://bloodorca.github.io/hollow/

I'm also clearly a bit later here but just wanted to thank you for this as well! I also killed the gravedigger while testing out the Dream Nail and felt bad but didn't want to erase my progress to undo it. Right or wrong aside, I don't wanted to bring him back and this absolutely did it.

[🉑 rezno[R].technology]

I know this is an old thread, but in case someone else stumbles upon this, I haven't seen this important message written:

It's a good idea to do save backups before any save file editing.

[RB_The_Bobot]

Originally posted by VulpinePrince:

im very late to this, but in case anyone else would like to know how:
if you open your game data (youll have to google depending on your console type) you can put it into this editor: https://bloodorca.github.io/hollow/
use the find function to make it quicker, id suggest searching for the word ghost
for marissa you need to find the following entry:
"id": "Ghost NPC",
"sceneName": "Ruins_Bathhouse"
"activated": true
"semiPersistent": false

and for joni, her id is "Ghost NPC Joni" and scene is "Cliffs_05"
the rest is the same
change the true to false in both and they should be back

how do u use the find function? i dont see it

[Perseus]

Originally posted by RB_The_Robot:

how do u use the find function? i dont see it

Press Ctrl + F. It's the most common keyboard shortcut to find specific text.

[RB_The_Bobot]

Originally posted by Perseus:

Originally posted by RB_The_Robot:

how do u use the find function? i dont see it

Press Ctrl + F. It's the most common keyboard shortcut to find specific text.

oh ok, thx

[L Ombre]

Originally posted by VulpinePrince:

im very late to this, but in case anyone else would like to know how:
if you open your game data (youll have to google depending on your console type) you can put it into this editor: https://bloodorca.github.io/hollow/
use the find function to make it quicker, id suggest searching for the word ghost
for marissa you need to find the following entry:
"id": "Ghost NPC",
"sceneName": "Ruins_Bathhouse"
"activated": true
"semiPersistent": false

and for joni, her id is "Ghost NPC Joni" and scene is "Cliffs_05"
the rest is the same
change the true to false in both and they should be back

5 years after : THANK YOU SO MUCH, MARISSA WILL LIVE FOREVER <<<3