Please help: How to be a GOOD ASSASSIN in BBI? (long message)

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Hi,

Currently I'm level 137 and I completed the first run of BBI playing as a Magick Archer, is a fun class and makes many of boss battles easy but when I try to go as Assassin I have a lot of troubles.

I level up my character with the idea of play as a Magick Archer:

1 – 15: Strider
15 – 55: Assassin
55 – 95: Sorcerer

After that I changed to Magick Archer, keep playing, completed “The Final Battle” and start level up again in The Everfall until level 120, then I change to assassin to farm the Ur-Dragon (offline) and get the dagger Heaven’Key, which now I think that was kind of pointless because the low strength of the weapon. That took me until level 131.

Why I want to play as Assassin? Because is a fun class and I kind like it, I like the idea of snipe from the distance and be able to shoot/attack very fast, I enjoy playing the class. Plus, I read many times that the best way to farm Daimon or Death is use Blast Arrow like a crazy, of course I still need better equipment for that.

Right now Assassin or Magick Archer I can easily kill everything of DD: normal version but BBI is a different story.

As Assassin:
-Can´t climb to attack the heart of the dragons, I don’t know what I do wrong. Is easy to make the dragon fall but when I try to climb always grab one of the legs or a part close to the heart, but never in that specific spot. At the end the battle takes too long and the pawns keep dying.
-Living armors, trying with the “Master kill” but is complicated and takes some time.
-Eliminator, these guy doesn’t stop when I shoot.
-Gorecyclops, omg those. Ok so I climb to the head, while I hurt myself due the spikes in the armor. I Hit the switch to make the helmet fall and then I start attacking the head, cool :D, but then he grab me and eat me. One hit K.O :(

While as Magick Archer:
-Always use magick rebalance before and during battle.
-The drake that appear in the garden (where you insert the moonbeam gems), easily killed with sixfold and after that IMMEDIATELY a cursed dragon appears and easily killed too with explosive bolley (upgraded with the ring). Two big dragons dead without trouble.
-Eliminator, easy kill with sixfold.
-Gorecyclops, again just use sixfold.

I know that, overall, Magick Archer is a good class to defeat bosses and probably the best class for BBI but I really want to try it with the Assassin and don’t fail in the process.

My stats:

Assassin
Dagger (I forgot the name) = 20XX strength
Bow (Dragon’s Ire) = 14XX = strength
Both dragon forged level 1 (red icon) and using the two augments to improve strength in 30%.

Magick Archer
Dagger (the same weapon) = 14XX strength
Magick Bow = (Dragon’s Breath) = 14XX magic
Both dragon forged level 1 (red icon) and using the two augments to improve magic in 30%.

For the second run I hope to get the materials needed to improve the weapons and also more cursed items level 2.
In addition, as a Magick Archer my main pawn is a Sorcerer and I think she is very good, she uses the skills properly but if I change to Assassin and I keep with the class maybe need to change her class to a Ranger or Strider. I like the idea of two with similar styles and, at the end, she will just imitate what I do.

A Ranger/Stider pawn is better than a Sorcerer pawn?

So…
-Any good tips to be better with the Assassin in BBI?>
-Should I change to Assassin or just stick with the Magick Archer?
-A team of 3 full strenght and 1 support is good for the second BBI run?

This is pure curiosity but how you guys manage the curative items, because what I do is buy 50-60 potent greenwarish and give each pawn like 15-20. That should keep them alive but then I also have the problem of the stamina and I just can’t buy a lot because then my weight will be heavy and don’t have a lot of gold, only 3, 5XX, XXX at the moment.

[Ogdibus]

Powder charge/Powder Barrage works well on most dragons. Torpor affects them, but doesn't last long. Silence also works. If you are short, toss and trigger can work well.

Surging light tomes are good for ghost type enemies and living armor. Knock them down, if you can.

Strategy for Eliminators really depends on where you are fighting them, but powder charge can knock them down. Freezing and torpor work well, and there are daggers available with the effects built in.

Hit the Gorcyclopes in the heel, and stay behind them. If you have to fight two at once, shoot at them. Use scrolls and tomes on them, (except for surging light) too. Torpor makes them much more managable. Blind it. Stay on its chin when climbing (this is probably an unintended blind spot).

Because you can use sword, shield and dagger skills, you effectively have a longer skill than list than most other classes if you make choices that aren't redundant. You should be able to take some fancy or situational skills while still having very strong fundamentals.



For stamina, don't use high cost Bow skills so often. Carry some Liquid Vim for those times when you need to use skills constantly, and a few good mushrooms in case you over extend yourself. Try to keep your load light or very light, especially if your body weight is under 70kg.

If you really want to fire lots of arrows all the time, you should probably play a very heavy ranger (90kg+) with Tenfold Flurry and tons of consumable items, or a strider with Hailstorm Volley.

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How powder charge is a good skill against dragons, I used it and I barely did a little damage and I was using the sword "Cursed Bite" (dragon forged level 1).
I don't understand how some people can kill these new bosses with the assassin, strider or fighter with a low level, they are super hard for melee attacks.

[Ogdibus]

The main advantage is that it staggers and stuns things, which gives your team an opening to attack or recover. It's not as good against drakes because of the damage type. Barbed Nails and the Impact Augment help. It will be harder to use if none of your pawns are aggressive.

Drakes and Undead Dragons are just plain difficult unless you have roughly 2000+ attack and 1000 defense, exploit the environment with ranged attacks, use stat boosting consumables, or play a Magic Archer.

Ideally, you should be climbing dragons, but if you aren't able to, knocking them down also works. It's just not the strategy that people tend to default to with assassins because they are good for climbing.

[Broscar]

http://dragonsdogma.wikia.com/wiki/Masterful_Kill makes you literally untouchable to all the enemies in BBI that don't deal magic damage.
http://dragonsdogma.wikia.com/wiki/Terrible_Bend for it's very decent damage and great stagger potential.
Those two skills are your bread and butter as Assassin. Try to get a Terrible Bend ring as soon as you can.

Gorecyclopses just takes long by design. Try to take their masks of if you can and then Terrible Bend their eyes. Climbing up to their eyes is not worth the effort, especially not with that nom-nom-nom attack they have.

You're invulnerable to Eliminators thanks to Masterful Kill, but you can send them flying by Terrible Bend-ing their face if that's too boring for you.

Just pick whichever pawns you want. I think a mage + ranger + fighter combo works well with Assassins.
As for consumables, just bring whatever you think you need. http://dragonsdogma.wikia.com/wiki/Large_Mushroom is a good source for stamina.
I personally run around with 2 Lordly Tonics, 20 Large Mushrooms, 2 Panacea and 2 Wakestones. There's always some Harspud Sauce or Kingwarish nearby in BBI.

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Some days ago I started a new game from zero to make a full strength assassin and I been learning more of the class, their skills and how to uses it depending of the enemy. For example, using a rusted bow and then gale of harness + hundred kisses have been work pretty well so far on various bosses, even in low level. Or powder blast to avoid some bosses move, make lose their balance and so the pawns can attack more without being hit.

I always use these skills with the bow: lyncean sight, fivefold flurry and pentad shot. But that skill you mention, mighty/terrible I have to use it, I just read in the wiki that can knock down a dragon if hit the face, I will replace lyncean sight to use that skill.

[Go0lden_Archer]

I've quite a simple strategy as assassin, to kill anything in BBI (Got bored with it tho, gonna go for MA for a different feel).
Basically:

Dragons - Grab your best sword, go with Gouge. Getting to the heart can be problematic, specially with Frost Drake, but other then that, it takes ~ 20-30s (Seconds).

Gorecyclops - Climb onto the back of it, beneath the neck and the switch. Start hitting it with either Gouge or Kisses (I.e. Sword or Dagger). Takes ~ 1-2m (Minutes) for it to die, and some stamina restoratives, like them large mushrooms.

Eliminators - Climb directly onto it's back, it'll take some practice, but eventually, you'll learn to get to a sweet spot from the get go, where they cannot knock you off, and then it's easy ~ 10-20s for it to die.

Living Armors - Would be the only issue for me. Never actually tried MK skill myself, Im just grabing them till armor wears off, then Sapfire Daggers with either Wind skill, or just staying behind it.

All of it is on my latest BBI run with lvl 47-71 assassin (Using mod for exp, so leveling takes alot longer).

On lvl 200, it takes even less. Oh and dont forget that leveling magic will cripple your assassin build, as enchanted weapons dont take your magic into calc of damage. My assassin build is basically pure phisical, with warrior+assassin for decent stats.

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dragon - most accurate way to hit heart for climbing is also most dangerous. frontal roll under him, followed by jump and grab. only exceptions are wyrm and wyvern. wyrm you jump between legs from the side and wyvern you just knock down and climb on heart while he is down

gorecyclops - climbing. stay under neck until he grabs and don't go for his head when he stands still. wait for rage mode which gives you plenty of time for quick and safe kill. if you don't climb go with core attacks on his right leg with fighter/warrior tactic. don't try climbing without adhesion

living armor - masterful kill is such slow/unproductive and boring way. far easier/faster is to just shear through his attacks. also, way way less boring. when living armor charges at you use x wind attack straight through him which stops you exactly behind his back. quick turn and either use core attacks or kisses. once you get the hang of it you can do it blindly. he will always hit by turning which you can either dodge away or go with daredevil and roll/shear through him at the other side and attack from other side. this is absolute assault at LA

eliminator - bow band will 100% knock him on his ass while he charges at you. otherwise just bait him into mashing, wait and use exact same strategy as LA before.

climbing eliminator/LA is simply too buggy. you get hit out of nowhere for no reason since this game really sucks with hitboxes

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Thanks to all for the help,

I'm level 138 with my assassin, full strength, and until yesterday I still had difficulties against dragons. A problem that made it difficult farm the Cursed Dragon but I bought the sword “Cursed Bite”, upgraded to dragon forged (gold icon) + 300X of strength + Dire Gouge. The damage is REALLY GOOD, 4 - 5 bars of health in one time, also with that I can kill the other bosses like Warm and Elder Ogre really fast. I would love have the ring to upgrade the skill to Deadly Gouge or have the augment Opportunism.

So, I think now I don’t have much troubles with the bosses, well, except Living Armor, I faced and I killed the Living Armor necessary to reach Daimon in the first run, but I haven’t face another one. With the Sapfire Daggers upgraded,that should be enough in the second phase when the armor is destroyed, right?

[Go0lden_Archer]

Originally posted by White-Wolf-:

Thanks to all for the help,

I'm level 138 with my assassin, full strength, and until yesterday I still had difficulties against dragons. A problem that made it difficult farm the Cursed Dragon but I bought the sword “Cursed Bite”, upgraded to dragon forged (gold icon) + 300X of strength + Dire Gouge. The damage is REALLY GOOD, 4 - 5 bars of health in one time, also with that I can kill the other bosses like Warm and Elder Ogre really fast. I would love have the ring to upgrade the skill to Deadly Gouge or have the augment Opportunism.

So, I think now I don’t have much troubles with the bosses, well, except Living Armor, I faced and I killed the Living Armor necessary to reach Daimon in the first run, but I haven’t face another one. With the Sapfire Daggers upgraded,that should be enough in the second phase when the armor is destroyed, right?

Yep, it will be enough. However I'd suggest grabin Heaven's Key instead, damage is lower, however that holy enchantement is a miracle worker.

[flex.headstrong]

I am late to the party....

I have a 200 assassin that I levelled per one of the older guides here (was posted back in Jan 2016) that goes like this:

1-10 fighter
10-30 warrior
30-55 sorcerer
55-200 assassin

All I can say is I levelled heavily after 95 by farming Black Bishop solo with blast arrows and the 5 shot bow skill, and later farming Daimon the same way. I didn't mess with Ur til 200.

This was ashamedly simple and has made playing any other vocation painful, sadly.

I now prefer to play it as a Ranger since it kills using that setup (but using 10fold furry) in about half the same time.