bbi is far more easy with a magic vocation

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having played with sorc, magic archer, paladin ( full magic not strenght , staff and shield ) ,
i now find it tedious to play as a fighter or warrior in some situations.
for exemple against living armors, giant cyclops, the strenght based melee vocations are almost useless, against the fantomatic orbs too , also against the mages who levitate in the air.

living armor for exemple, if you don't have a sorc or mage to enhance your weapon with holly light then you do zero dmg basically, like you're useless, and even with this when the living armor becomes imune to melee you just hit nothing.
if you don't have a sorc pawn to cast meteor etc ... or light revenge, you struggle too much.

you'll tell me there are spell books, i'm not gona wander with 50 spell books , and they are rare compared to how often you encounter living armors ( depends on which run you are in bbi oc )

even against giant cyclops you need a lot of time to kill them, even with conqueror amulets, it's not worth the time and effort.
while with a sorc or magic archer you can kill both of them in 2 minutes or less .

not talking about flying mobs like harpies etc ... where you just have to wait like a useless, you need to wait that they grab you to be able to do something,

for sure againt dragons and other mobs fighers and warriors are good, climb where the heart is ans spam hits, dead in 20 seconds. but my point is :
there are too many situations where, in bbi, the fighter and warriors fights aree tedioius and become boring.

and even against mobs they should slaughter easily, while they often manage to kill most of them easily ( with the need of conqueror amulets even though being stuffed with full dragon enhanced lvl3 bbi weapons and armors ) it's not always the case, for exemple against eliminators, since you need to go in contact, they still can send you fly and fall down from the bridge, and since they can reduce your stamina to zero with 1 hit when you block with the shield, unless you have tons of mushrooms with you it can become tedious.

to resume : i feel like i'm disapointed by fighters and warriors, this playthrough i made a warrior because i always wanted to play this vocation, warriors just looks cool.
but i realize i have no pleasure playing it, for the reasons mentionned below.
i'm pretty much disapointed.

going back to play my sorc that i can switch to magic archer or paladin whenever i feel like ) and bbi becomes more fun. most of the time i'm rolling on mobs , and walking, barelly have to run.

nb : my fighter and warriors have almost max strenght ( warrior under level 100 then assasin till 200 ) with 4700 life. playing on hard oc .

what's your opinion ? agree, disagree ? maybe i missed some tips that would allow those 2 vocations to be as efficients as magic vocations .

[gammav]

Yes bow and magick straight up easy mode.

Doesnt really need spell book against living armor. Arc obliteration(open area) and cymbal slaught(2x bloody knuckle) are the strats. Use perma enchant weapon. Buff from pawn unnecessary.
Still difficult but the strats there.

It is possible to take down a condemned cyclops around 3 min no periapt solo hardmode as Warrior/fighter. Knockdown first, then climb attack the eye during knockdown phase.

and yes, bow and magick still easy mode

They fix warrior in dragon dogma online by allow em block using SKIN

[zadymek]

Originally posted by C:

living armor for exemple, if you don't have a sorc or mage to enhance your weapon with holly light then you do zero dmg basically, like you're useless, and even with this when the living armor becomes imune to melee you just hit nothing.

No, you actually deal very good damage, better than mage or sorcerer, as living armor has a very high MDEF and only noticeable DEF. Only once it cracks open spells give you an edge, some spells.
BTW A propos of Living Armor
https://youtu.be/1qVdq7dsO90

Originally posted by C:

and even against mobs they should slaughter easily, while they often manage to kill most of them easily ( with the need of conqueror amulets even though being stuffed with full dragon enhanced lvl3 bbi weapons and armors ) it's not always the case, for exemple against eliminators

You write "mobs they should slaughter easily" and then literally name eliminator, which is neither a mob nor "easy to slaughter" with physical damage. Have you even seen resistances on this thing?

Originally posted by C:

and since they can reduce your stamina to zero with 1 hit when you block with the shield,

That's why we have so called Perfect Block.
https://youtu.be/X5Qe4V6JrcI

Originally posted by C:

not talking about flying mobs like harpies etc ... where you just have to wait like a useless, you need to wait that they grab you to be able to do something,

No, unless an enemy is actively avoiding your character (like a lich) you always have way/s to deal with them. Here're few:
- evade (or Divine Defense) a grab attempt and pick up a landing creature
- use jump attacks and/or skills with qood reach
- use taunting (Shield Drum) to make them attack
- Perfect block their attacks to ground them. Once they are on the ground give them no chance to lift off (grapple then kick in the rump)
- hire a ranged Vocation Pawns, duh.
- only then, eventually use spell tomes
BTW You can multiply tomes at the forger.

Originally posted by C:

there are too many situations where, in bbi, the fighter and warriors fights aree tedioius and become boring.

You list either enemies vulnerable to elements or presenting the character with a reach issue. It's not magick that feels easy, it's the cheesing ;)
But your assessment is correct, in general BBI is "balanced" in favor of magick users.

BTW Phantomatic orbs? Wraiths?

[zadymek]

Originally posted by C:

Concerning the video, it's not a fighter nor a warrior, blades from fighter and warrior will just pass through the living armor at some point without doing dmg, meanwhile you will have to avoid all the hit from the living armor while he still have 4 life bars, this is what i call tedious.

Yes, but that's why you "get access" to elemental weapons. And you can boost their damage with Demon's Periapts as well. Better this than nothing

Originally posted by C:

i categorized eliminator in easy mobs despite resistance because most of the time you can kill them in 2 or max 3 hits with the fighter ( with 4 conqueror amulets of course ) but still tedious because ♥♥♥♥ can happen if you don't pay attention or fail to move correctly or anticipate.

Everything feels easy with periapts.

Originally posted by C:

while with a magic class not only you can kill 3 with just 1 maelstrom but even only using multi bolts you are pretty safe while killing them fast moving around .

That's exacly what cheesing means.

Originally posted by C:

i have to admit i'm not using perfect block, i did use it before ( a long time ago ) with the assasin but dunno, i found it boring ( personnal taste ) and stop using those, maybe i should try to train more on that,

Also, playing a "paladin" and not using Perfect Block, Lol.

[zadymek]

Originally posted by C:

i added this to my previous post but add it here too since i edited the above post much later you probably didn't read:
concerning harpies and others, you still have to wait that they attack you, it's tedious and the taunt is not that efficient, they can still flight above for a moment even with taunts , from what i've experienced.

Why yes, but that should only be an issue only if you are farming flyers or sumthin. If they don't attack then there's no fight, right? And you still have your Pawns. Unless you don't like to rely on Pawns.

BTW Taunt only makes you a primary target.

Originally posted by C:

i'm aware he has he dedicated "powerfull" counter skills designed to enhance perfect blocks with magic stuff. am i obliged to use those ? i deal with the mob faster with just spamming multi bolts.

Nah, MK is flexible, may be played in many ways.
BTW Now I wonder what you use to fight the bigger game...

Originally posted by C:

So i don't see what's funny in this and why you lol.

I lol because these are the signature MK skills. It's like saying that you don't use nuke spells as a Sorcerer - you might as well play as a Mage. Just sayin'.

[Vin]

the only vocation that has trouble with BBI is warrior. slow stuck in animation attacks is death.

every other vocation can use ur dragon holy weapons to deal with magick armors, phantasms ext. ever use skull splitter ring with holy dagger from ur dragon on magick armor? it is a one shot.

[zadymek]

Originally posted by C:

i"m disapointed cause this thread has deviated on your focus on the knight perfect blocks thing which is absolutely not interesting me. so i think it's best if we end this useless discussion.

Well, at least we discovered that by "bbi is far more easy with a magic vocation " you mean cheesing with Focused Bolt ;)
And periapts.

[Vin]

Originally posted by C:

Originally posted by Vin:

the only vocation that has trouble with BBI is warrior. slow stuck in animation attacks is death.

every other vocation can use ur dragon holy weapons to deal with magick armors, phantasms ext. ever use skull splitter ring with holy dagger from ur dragon on magick armor? it is a one shot.

i have nothing from ur dragon sadly.

the weapons can be gotten from the offline one which is easier to fight. even if you cannot do alot of damage to the online one just taking maybe 30min - 1hr of just damaging him till he flies away and repeating, you will atleast get weapons.

capcom made the same mistake with warrior that bioware did with 2h in dragon age origins.

Edit: also magick has a problem with golems. they are the fricken bane of my existance as a magick class.

[zadymek]

Originally posted by C:

i actually rarely use focused bolts... i'm sorry.

Don't tell me that you only spam Magick Bolt!
I hope that you at least use Comestion at times. If you are cheesing do it right.

[furbleburble]

Originally posted by C:

Originally posted by Vin:

the weapons can be gotten from the offline one which is easier to fight. even if you cannot do alot of damage to the online one just taking maybe 30min - 1hr of just damaging him till he flies away and repeating, you will atleast get weapons.

capcom made the same mistake with warrior that bioware did with 2h in dragon age origins.

Edit: also magick has a problem with golems. they are the fricken bane of my existance as a magick class.

thx for the tips, ur dragon is boring to fight so i never spent time on this but guess i'll have to force myself one day.

Tell me which Ur Dragon weapon you want and I'll send you one. You'll either need to add me or give me enough pawn info to find your pawn, though. As long as it ain't for a warrior, I'll even DF it for you. Pick one[dragonsdogma.fandom.com].

[zadymek]

Originally posted by C:

you know i answered to all your posts just by politeness, even thought i immediatelly realized, already in your first post, that it will be a waste of time,

Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't realize that you were polite.
I though you were butt hurt cause I lol-ed you JUST ONCE, and couldn't let go. And I kept answering out of politeness.
My bad.

As for the rest of the "polite" exchange: the idea was to convince you to change, since you find playing as non-cheesy class challenging, not pander to your whims. And you do it by challengign the other party's views. I suppose that's trolling nowadays.
Angain, my bad.

Cheers.

[Epitome]

I wonder why you call exploit what is actually feature (LA video above). Well, purely by analogy with cancellation of actions by jump, as you declared so.

[zadymek]

Originally posted by Epitome:

I wonder why you call exploit what is actually feature (LA video above). Well, purely by analogy with cancellation of actions by jump, as you declared so.

1. It's an exploit, hands down, in your face. You exploit the loop hole created by the poor programming of LA's sundering feature. Also, I couldn't miss this opportunity
https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/51QK24REW7L.jpg

2. Cancelling spells (dispelling) with Jump is a legit mechanics that's even mentioned in the game. Whenever you see Jump on the button prompt, it means it does something.

Analogy? Apples and oranges.

[Clockwerks]

I have found that the answer to all questions this game ever posed is swords.

[Epitome]

Originally posted by zadymek:

in your face

What it was, I did not understand.

Originally posted by zadymek:

You exploit the loop hole created by the poor programming of LA's sundering feature.

You throw LA high into air, and he falls, losing many points at once. Just like when he falls himself. To break armor, you need to hit first. "Immunity to physical attacks" (phase 2) comes only after armor is broken. If armor is not broken (because there was no hit), phase 2 does not occur. That's technically logickal.
LA can be thrown, forEx, warrior or maelstrom. Also, if warrior will manage accumulate 999999 damage from exeguy, I am sure he will kill LA with Act of Vengeance oneshot (from back), and phase 2 will not come.
If toss is done by skill that can't toss (although Wikipedia says it can), well, it's question to skill.

Originally posted by zadymek:

Also, I couldn't miss this opportunity

Hell yeah, familiar letters of english alphabet! If examine all possible "partial permutation" (combinatorial) of 2 letters, total of 26*25 = 650 is possible, which is not so much. I'm afraid to mention any other arbitrary combinations of two letters, because you may find association for almost each of them.

Originally posted by zadymek:

2. Cancelling spells (dispelling) with Jump is a legit mechanics that's even mentioned in the game. Whenever you see Jump on the button prompt, it means it does something.

Did I talk about canceling spells? No, I talked about "shorten some animations". In addition, I turned off nasty UI for long time ago, except for most important one, and even without crosshair I play, that is so I am cool.

[zadymek]

Originally posted by Epitome:

You throw LA high into air, and he falls, losing many points at once. Just like when he falls himself. To break armor, you need to hit first. "Immunity to physical attacks" (phase 2) comes only after armor is broken. If armor is not broken (because there was no hit), phase 2 does not occur. That's technically logickal.

Armor cracks open past 50% Health, that's the rule. And because of bright minded interns responsible for coding this feature fall damage is ignored, only attacks count.
And that's literally attack that does this not damage from an attack - you can hit the shield and it will still sunder the LA!

Originally posted by Epitome:

Did I talk about canceling spells? No, I talked about "shorten some animations".

OK, I don't know what you are talking about then.