Dragonforging, explanation?

[Crombell]

So as far as I know, dragonforging is a thing that can happen at random when killing a dragonkin and it is better than the standard upgrades, but I've been hearing some kinda strange things regarding the balancing.

For example, I've heard some certain weapons are much better than others when dragonforged, even though they are lower on the damage "tier list" on the wiki?

Is dragonforging just the same for every weapon, in that they retain their ranking on the tier list if all weapons were dragonforged and compared, or is the list somehow scrambled due to certain weapons gaining more damage from the upgrade?

[Shiroi Ren]

For example Rust weapons can be really dangerous because of debuff.

[Crombell]

Originally posted by Shiroi Ren:

For example Rust weapons can be really dangerous because of debuff.

I can see that they already deal poison and torpor at 3 stars though?

[Glymner]

http://dragonsdogma.wikia.com/wiki/Tattered_Mantle

If it sucks before DF it generally wont after.

Torpor is really good, it's nice to have atleast one pawn with a rusted weapon. I have currently hired a ranger pawn with a rusted bow.

[Ponyeater]

Originally posted by Crombell:

Originally posted by Shiroi Ren:

For example Rust weapons can be really dangerous because of debuff.

I can see that they already deal poison and torpor at 3 stars though?

Dragonforging and getting further enhancements increases the chance of poison and torpor being inflicted.

[Duke Dyzzy]

Weapons can recieve certain elements or debilitation effects when dragonforged. And it's not just dragonkin. Defeating the main dragon will automatically dragonforge any gear that you had equipped at the time of killing it. It's the only option that is a guarantee 100% for each individual equipped piece. Every other dragon in the game only gives a chance. some more than others. and each chance is applied to each item individualy. So you do have a chance of getting multiple pieces of equipment forged. However. For any dragon other than the main red dragon. Equipment is required to be enhanced to at least 1 star before you can dragonforge it.

[Crombell]

Originally posted by Glymner:

http://dragonsdogma.wikia.com/wiki/Tattered_Mantle

If it sucks before DF it generally wont after.

Torpor is really good, it's nice to have atleast one pawn with a rusted weapon. I have currently hired a ranger pawn with a rusted bow.

So does that mean EVERY piece of armour and weapon in the game is viable once dragonforged? Or are there still some who are way better? It'd not really make sense if a steel longsword could equal all of the best longswords in the game if you just upgrade it a few times and kill a drake with it.

Originally posted by Mayson the Minion:

Originally posted by Crombell:

I can see that they already deal poison and torpor at 3 stars though?

Dragonforging and getting further enhancements increases the chance of poison and torpor being inflicted.

Oh, alright. Fair enough.

Originally posted by Ka- Ka- Karmin Electra:

Weapons can recieve certain elements or debilitation effects when dragonforged. And it's not just dragonkin. Defeating the main dragon will automatically dragonforge any gear that you had equipped at the time of killing it. It's the only option that is a guarantee 100% for each individual equipped piece. Every other dragon in the game only gives a chance. some more than others. and each chance is applied to each item individualy. So you do have a chance of getting multiple pieces of equipment forged. However. For any dragon other than the main red dragon. Equipment is required to be enhanced to at least 1 star before you can dragonforge it.

I know the requirements for dragonforging, that's easy to look up. You may want to re-read my question.

[Jason Eroge]

Originally posted by Crombell:

Originally posted by Glymner:

http://dragonsdogma.wikia.com/wiki/Tattered_Mantle

If it sucks before DF it generally wont after.

Torpor is really good, it's nice to have atleast one pawn with a rusted weapon. I have currently hired a ranger pawn with a rusted bow.

So does that mean EVERY piece of armour and weapon in the game is viable once dragonforged? Or are there still some who are way better? It'd not really make sense if a steel longsword could equal all of the best longswords in the game if you just upgrade it a few times and kill a drake with it.

Originally posted by Mayson the Minion:

Dragonforging and getting further enhancements increases the chance of poison and torpor being inflicted.

Oh, alright. Fair enough.

Originally posted by Ka- Ka- Karmin Electra:

Weapons can recieve certain elements or debilitation effects when dragonforged. And it's not just dragonkin. Defeating the main dragon will automatically dragonforge any gear that you had equipped at the time of killing it. It's the only option that is a guarantee 100% for each individual equipped piece. Every other dragon in the game only gives a chance. some more than others. and each chance is applied to each item individualy. So you do have a chance of getting multiple pieces of equipment forged. However. For any dragon other than the main red dragon. Equipment is required to be enhanced to at least 1 star before you can dragonforge it.

I know the requirements for dragonforging, that's easy to look up. You may want to re-read my question.

i not sure why you ask ifmost of the gear are better but ofc...the high tier gets dragon forge does have better stats.....if you want to compare just look at dragon dogma wikia its shows all the stats from 0 stars till 6 stars ;v but most people tend to go for what effects the item have

[Zappieroth]

You can also get dragon forged if you happen to kill the UR-Dragon.

[Crombell]

Originally posted by Jason Eroge:

Originally posted by Crombell:

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i not sure why you ask ifmost of the gear are better but ofc...the high tier gets dragon forge does have better stats.....if you want to compare just look at dragon dogma wikia its shows all the stats from 0 stars till 6 stars ;v but most people tend to go for what effects the item have

What I'm asking is, now aside from rusted weapons, do a lot of weapons become far more useful than others when dragonforged when compared to how they perfomed at 3 stars?

[WingedKagouti]

Originally posted by Crombell:

So does that mean EVERY piece of armour and weapon in the game is viable once dragonforged? Or are there still some who are way better? It'd not really make sense if a steel longsword could equal all of the best longswords in the game if you just upgrade it a few times and kill a drake with it.

No. The lower tier weapons that are viable are the ones which recieve a chance to inflict a useful status effect (mostly Gold and Rusted weapons). Something like Eden's Warden will still be semi-viable while a Broadsword is more questionable. Heck, a non-enhanced Dragon's Dogma will be better than a Silver Forged Broadsword.

The "If it sucks" line is more for items that would not be good for anyone, even at level 1 with no other gear available. Especially if you can't find it until later in the game. Items with penalities will often have the penalities greatly reduced/eliminated by dragon forging.

[Jason Eroge]

Originally posted by Crombell:

Originally posted by Jason Eroge:

i not sure why you ask ifmost of the gear are better but ofc...the high tier gets dragon forge does have better stats.....if you want to compare just look at dragon dogma wikia its shows all the stats from 0 stars till 6 stars ;v but most people tend to go for what effects the item have

What I'm asking is, now aside from rusted weapons, do a lot of weapons become far more useful than others when dragonforged when compared to how they perfomed at 3 stars?

Nah the high tier gear is better if talking about armours just look at BBI sets it pretty much give buffs and resist to almost everything lol

[Crombell]

Originally posted by WingedKagouti:

Originally posted by Crombell:

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No. The lower tier weapons that are viable are the ones which recieve a chance to inflict a useful status effect (mostly Gold and Rusted weapons). Something like Eden's Warden will still be semi-viable while a Broadsword is more questionable. Heck, a non-enhanced Dragon's Dogma will be better than a Silver Forged Broadsword.

The "If it sucks" line is more for items that would not be good for anyone, even at level 1 with no other gear available. Especially if you can't find it until later in the game. Items with penalities will often have the penalities greatly reduced/eliminated by dragon forging.

Thank you, that makes sense. So aside from the topor/poison on rusted weapons and the silence on golden ones, are there other noteworthy weapons with special conditions?

Like, I know aneled weapons are a thing, and that they increase fire damage and can induce blindness, but are they worth dragonforging?

[The Last Helldiver™]

Originally posted by Crombell:

Originally posted by WingedKagouti:

No. The lower tier weapons that are viable are the ones which recieve a chance to inflict a useful status effect (mostly Gold and Rusted weapons). Something like Eden's Warden will still be semi-viable while a Broadsword is more questionable. Heck, a non-enhanced Dragon's Dogma will be better than a Silver Forged Broadsword.

The "If it sucks" line is more for items that would not be good for anyone, even at level 1 with no other gear available. Especially if you can't find it until later in the game. Items with penalities will often have the penalities greatly reduced/eliminated by dragon forging.

Thank you, that makes sense. So aside from the topor/poison on rusted weapons and the silence on golden ones, are there other noteworthy weapons with special conditions?

Like, I know aneled weapons are a thing, and that they increase fire damage and can induce blindness, but are they worth dragonforging?

There's aneled, golden and rusted.

Aneled provides tarred + blindness
Golden provides silenced only
Rusted provides torpor + poisoned.

The higher the forge rate, the more likely the effect will trigger. Some weapons or staves aren't called "golden" or "aneled" but instead black or something. They still count as aneled or golden for debilitations.

[Crombell]

Originally posted by Cyriel Dosferatu:

Originally posted by Crombell:

Thank you, that makes sense. So aside from the topor/poison on rusted weapons and the silence on golden ones, are there other noteworthy weapons with special conditions?

Like, I know aneled weapons are a thing, and that they increase fire damage and can induce blindness, but are they worth dragonforging?

There's aneled, golden and rusted.

Aneled provides tarred + blindness
Golden provides silenced only
Rusted provides torpor + poisoned.

The higher the forge rate, the more likely the effect will trigger. Some weapons or staves aren't called "golden" or "aneled" but instead black or something. They still count as aneled or golden for debilitations.

So there are no other noteworthy low-end weapons that become signifigantly better once dragonforged?

[ViperV]

better gear by default will still be a better version when dragon forged. there's also a difference in RC cost and rarity of required materials to gold forge them later.