Why is BBI so hard even with good gear? Are blast arrows the only answer?

[squalltheonly]

I'm an assassin and I waited until I was around level 120 before I stepped into BBI, I even got all gear from Ur online dragon forged for me and my pawn, but I'm still having a hard time.

I know heaven's key is not the best in BBI cuz holy is not a common weakness, but I should still be able to kill things. I mean, I kill most small creatures but if I encounter an elder ogre or a condemned cyclops, I have to pretty much run.

Blast arrows do work, but is that the only way I can beat this place? I feel cheap just spamming arrows and what about when I make it to daimon, will I have to blast him too?

So far the only big creature that I have killed easily is the gazer.

[GrayHound]

Publicado originalmente por squalltheonly:

Blast arrows do work, but is that the only way I can beat this place?

No. The other option is blast arrows + 4x conqueror periapt. :P

Really, though, just as beating DS at level 1 is not easy, beating BBI on level 120 is not easy. Either cheese it with items or level up.

[DoleBananas]

At 80 I can kill an Elder Ogre reliably, although it can OHS me when it rages.

Just gotta channel your inner Randy Orton.

[Mordeth Kai]

If I remember correctly, difficulty ramps up a bit in new game+. BBI was meant to be very difficult, but if I remember correctly most things are weaker to magic than physical, and if you lvl'd all assassin, then your magic stat will be very poor even with enchantments. Having solo'd the condemned cyclops as a magic archer easily enough and not being in new game + I'm inclined to think this is the case since I too am only using Ur dragon weapons and I'm lvl 60.

[DoleBananas]

If you're using an Assassin, swap to Ranger and learn to Deathly Arrow.

[Kashra Fall]

This is the room I had earlier. This guy in a tiny corridor is down right frightening. Even more so that I can't physically do anything until his armor is shattered.
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=605491891

Upon entering the room? He gained a friend! BBI is so much fun :3.
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=605494806

[KingRat13]

Lvl 3 cursed weapons are rare on first run, but you can find lvl 2's like Cursed Bite (sword) and Helmbarte & Sapfire daggers and Dragons Ire (bow)...all of which will boost your damage. Periapts are your friend :)

[squalltheonly]

My build is
1-10 Mage
11-99 sorcerer
100-200 assassin

I will have both attack and magic at around 500, which is pretty good. I went this build so I could play any vocation at level 200 and be good at it.

I know difficulty ramps on NG+, which is why I wanted to clear BBI before the new cycle. I will also do NG+ on hard, so most likely won't even touch BBI. I just think the place is too hard to be enjoyable, is like blightown 2.0

[Diviance]

Publicado originalmente por squalltheonly:

I know difficulty ramps on NG+, which is why I wanted to clear BBI before the new cycle. I will also do NG+ on hard, so most likely won't even touch BBI. I just think the place is too hard to be enjoyable, is like blightown 2.0

NG+ has no effect on difficulty. Only the difficulty setting does.

[Pokicchi]

Publicado originalmente por squalltheonly:

I know heaven's key is not the best in BBI cuz holy is not a common weakness

True for the base game but not for BBI, holy is very useful there

[Aneiln]

My character got through the first run with dragonforged Dragon's Dogma + Whatever the Grigori shortbow was level 87 without too much of an issue, then the second run at somewhere between 100 and 110 using Cursed Bite+Darkening Storm. I did have to use Conquerers Periapts on 2nd form Daimon though.

Remember to equip Clout+Vehemence, bloodlust if you have it, and if you're still having trouble breaking damage thresholds, either autonomy or Opportunism and focus on climbing the bosses. Bloodlust if you're willing to deal with the timing of it. Also, sword has a larger strength boost than daggers do, so they should in theory be better if your daggers don't have a high enough attack to damage the enemies.

[Taron]

You may be able to pick up some tips on getting through from this BBI-only solo run: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLPpgEXhxLRZi3uQX3r4SRjIcXgZYmFDzU

Sadly its with a Warrior not an Assassin though. There is also a solo Strider and Fighter run on the channel so you might get better tips from those since they are more similar to Assassin, but they are full runs not just BBI.

[Lokhe]

Publicado originalmente por squalltheonly:

My build is
1-10 Mage
11-99 sorcerer
100-200 assassin

I will have both attack and magic at around 500, which is pretty good. I went this build so I could play any vocation at level 200 and be good at it.

I know difficulty ramps on NG+, which is why I wanted to clear BBI before the new cycle. I will also do NG+ on hard, so most likely won't even touch BBI. I just think the place is too hard to be enjoyable, is like blightown 2.0

BBI, as people have mentioned, is best tackled with Magick (initially anyway) due to steep Physical Damage thresholds on many things.

When I played back on consoles I was an Assassin like you and I struggled with Eliminators, Elder Ogres and the like. Not to mention the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Living Armor -.- haha.

This time through I'm a Mystic Knight and the only thing that was difficult to kill was the bloody Wyvern because you have to climb it :p

[⎛⎝Thundercrash⎠⎞]

Iam lvl ~120 and i slayed the endboss of bbi the second time. (His final form) its not hard at all (iam on normal mode and go into hardmode with lvl 200)

*edit*: iam assasin without pawns (becouse you get more xp with the talisman and solo run)

[Lokhe]

Publicado originalmente por Thundercrash:

Iam lvl ~120 and i slayed the endboss of bbi the second time. (His final form) its not hard at all (iam on normal mode and go into hardmode with lvl 200)

*edit*: iam assasin without pawns (becouse you get more xp with the talisman and solo run)

Incidentally, Daimon is far from the toughest enemy in BBI :p

[legendaryhero]

Publicado originalmente por Kashra Fall:

This is the room I had earlier. This guy in a tiny corridor is down right frightening. Even more so that I can't physically do anything until his armor is shattered.
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=605491891

Upon entering the room? He gained a friend! BBI is so much fun :3.
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=605494806

Dodge roll all day every day.