Dragon's Dogma: Dark Arisen

Dragon's Dogma: Dark Arisen

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Forblaze Feb 19, 2016 @ 6:27am
A gif on how to use inclination potions
https://i.imgur.com/uup3aaN.gif

A is the primary inclination, B is secondary, C is tertiary. This should theoretically work from any starting point without a neutralization potion. The end pattern in the gif is AAAAACBCBCBCBBABABABABABA.

After the initial 5 primaries, the CBs suppress all of the other inclinations. The BAs suppress the tertiary, but still keep it higher than the rest. The author notes that tertiary seems to be generally useless, but fewer BAs will keep tertiary higher if you prefer. If you don't want to bother with tertiary at all, then use the pattern AAAAABBABABABABABA.

source, not mine[docs.google.com]
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Old Dragon Feb 19, 2016 @ 7:40am 
That gif should answer a lot of questions for folks. Thanks for sharing, OP!
HaikenEdge Feb 19, 2016 @ 8:03am 
Very informative. Thank you.
SynC[+] Feb 19, 2016 @ 8:13am 
Thanks for the GIF
air2watr Feb 19, 2016 @ 9:14am 
I prefer Karathrax's method more, as the inclinations tend to stay in place for longer.

Note that in the document, the author mentions that if the secondary becomes primary fast, you must drink 5-6 primary elixirs to suppress the new primary. Thus the suggested method isn't bulletproof if you want a stable long-term primary and secondary, but rather explaining the methodology behind the potions which is quite helpful nonetheless.
Last edited by air2watr; Feb 19, 2016 @ 9:19am
Forblaze Feb 19, 2016 @ 9:25am 
Originally posted by air2watr:
Note that in the document, the author mentions that if the secondary becomes primary fast, you must drink 5-6 primary elixirs to suppress the new primary. Thus the suggested method isn't bulletproof if you want a stable long-term primary and secondary, but rather explaining the methodology behind the potions which is quite helpful nonetheless.

It's because the secondary inclination is only 25 points behind primary. Potions are just changing values, they won't change the rate of change.
air2watr Feb 19, 2016 @ 9:35am 
Originally posted by ;405692224227913433:
It's because the secondary inclination is only 25 points behind primary. Potions are just changing values, they won't change the rate of change.

Yes, that's what I meant by the sequence suggested isn't long-term proof. You will most likely need to drink additional primary potions after, if you want the primary to stay primary for some time.
Forblaze Feb 19, 2016 @ 9:43am 
Originally posted by air2watr:
Yes, that's what I meant by the sequence suggested isn't long-term proof. You will most likely need to drink additional primary potions after, if you want the primary to stay primary for some time.

You can take a few Bs out of the BAs to suppress both B and C instead of just C.
air2watr Feb 19, 2016 @ 9:58am 
Sure...but in the end you will have something that looks similar to the 15/15/15 trick anyway then. He even acknowledge the trick as he reported the value would be 1000/650/550. Maybe you save a few potions?
BurlsoL Feb 19, 2016 @ 11:28am 
Except that BABABA stuff is not accomplishing very much in the long run since it just keeps pushing everything else useful down as well.. Inclinations above 500 will only go down to 500. Meanwhile 3rd, 4th, and 5th inclinations, even at values less than 500 will still occasionally show themselves. A better approach is to pick 3 inclinations you want, and 2 others which are preferred over the remaining. Then buy 2 E, 2 D, 3 C, 3 B, 4 A.

For the sake of argument, we'll follow this along using Cheat Engine to monitor the values in realtime and start off with what is possibly the worst situation... Guardian at 1000, Nexus at 900, Aquisitor at 800, with everything else at 200... For the person who loots everything, doesn't fight anything, constantly spams commands, and has to keep reviving their pawns to fight for them.

So we start off with consming 2 of E. First consumption kicks this inclination immediately to 900, and Nexus and Aquisitor down 50 points (850 and 750). Second consumption kicks this inclination to 1000, Guardian to 975, Nexus to 825, Aquisitor to 725.

Next we do 2 of D First one keeps E at 1000, but moves this one to where Guardian was at 975, then decreasing all three by 50 (925, 775, 675). Second usage swaps the E and D, and puts the other 3 25 points lower (900, 750, 650).

Then we do 3 of C. The first one moves C to second position at 975, keeps D at 1000, moves E down 50 to 925, and puts Guardian, Nexus, and Aquisitor at 850, 700, 600 respectively. Second usage swaps D and C and moves everything else down 25 points. Third usage moves everything down another 25 points. Leaving Guardian at 800, Nexus at 650, Aquisitor at 550.

Then we do 3 of B. Moves B to where D was at 950, keep C in first position at 1000, and moves everything down 50 points, bottoming out Aquisitor at 500, and setting Guardian and Nexus at 750 and 600 respectively. Second usage moves C to 975, B to 1000, and shifts everything down 25 points. Third usage moves everything down 25 points. Leaving us with 1000 B, 950 C, 850 D, 775 E, Guardian at 700, Nexus at 550, Aquisitor at 500.

Then we finish up with 4 of A. First usage moves A to 950, B to 1000, C to 900, D to 800, E to 725, Guardian to 650, and bottoms out Nexus and Aquisitor at 500. Second usage moves A to 1000, B to 975, and everything else down 25 points. Third usage moves everything down 25 points. Fourth and final usage moves everything down another 25 points. Ending up with 1000 of A, 925 of B, 825 of C, 725 of D, 650 of E, Guardian at 575, and Nexus and Aquisitor at 500.


So why is this better than pushing Guardian all the way down to 500 by consuming 5 of E to start with? The main reason is so that it remains an indicator of when you'll need to adjust your inclinations next time since the reason why this inclination was so high is usually because your playstyle is causing it to move up. So it is reasonable to assume that it will be the one to start showing before all other unwanted inclinations.

Why do 5 inclinations if only 2 or 3 really show themselves? Because even with low values, inclinations will still manifest themselves accoding to their rankings. Having other inclinations with higher values will make these inclinations work as a sort of buffer before those unwanted inclinations show themselves.

Last, but not least, doing this method is much less expensive in the long run compared to buying all those potions just to push everything below 500.
Hexerin Feb 19, 2016 @ 12:05pm 
Why wouldn't you use the reset elixir first?
BurlsoL Feb 19, 2016 @ 12:09pm 
Originally posted by Hexerin:
Why wouldn't you use the reset elixir first?
Mostly because it sets everything to 500, even those things which were originally below 500. The other problem is that if paired with a CBA strategy, it will make those unwanted inclinations manifest sooner and generally make the pawn behave unreliably since it will have multiple inclinations at a similar value.
Swamp Sweaty Feb 19, 2016 @ 3:10pm 
is there away to save this post? there should be a guide like this.
Hexerin Feb 19, 2016 @ 3:36pm 
Originally posted by Ƨwamp Ƨweaty:
is there away to save this post? there should be a guide like this.
Just toss it up on a Steam Guide.
Rob'sEvilTwin Feb 19, 2016 @ 3:44pm 
I like a 1000> 800> 600 spread for my primary> secondary> tertiary.

This looks very interesting ☺

I don't know exactly how but my guardian and acquisitor values are very low (under 200).

As a support mage my Nexus keeps trying to overtake Mitigator as my tertiary when my pawn comes back from long hires (over the 500k RC mark) - I suspect from healing pawns quite a lot ☺.

I like BurlsoL's idea of managing the top 5 to make sure an undesirable doesn't creep into Tertiary. I will try it after work.
Last edited by Rob'sEvilTwin; Feb 19, 2016 @ 3:51pm
Candy Witch Feb 19, 2016 @ 4:07pm 
Originally posted by Rob'sEvilTwin:
I like BurlsoL's idea of managing the top 5 to make sure an undesirable doesn't creep into Tertiary. I will try it after work.
It's very good advice. Been doing that for a while now too, and it keeps my favorite three inclinations up top, with no weird behavior patterns from the unwanted inclinations showing up.
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