For anyone worrying about leveling stats

[rjafarrow]

I've just done a Daimon run with an assassin leveled magick archer with 2090 magick on hard.
Killed Daimon mostly with no damage buffs (Magick Rebuffer or Demon's Periapt) with bow core skill spamming, without ferocity.
Interesting core bow attack did more on him without damage buffs then ninefold dod but with Magick Rebuffer ninefold did more then core.

Also killed everything on the way. Ricochet Hunter clearing rooms and killing elder ogres in seconds.
Three ninefold to kill the living armours, two to kill eliminators.
My 4k+ magick MA kills living armour in two shots and eliminators in one, not much difference.
All dragons killed and admittedly the two frost wyrms were probably easier as asn leveled with immolation, and the cursed dragon that spawned half way through the fight.
Went through about 3 wakestones for the run and mostly because I am a crap player.

I don't mean this as a brag post, just to reassure people that no matter how you level your character you will be fine end game, 2k in primary stat is extreemly low, had red forged bow, no autonomy or attunement.

I know MA shines in BBI but honestly offencive leveling stats mean next to nothing. In fact if I were to level a third character I would probably go for health and stamina as having double the health may help a casual player more then double the attack value and stamina is very useful for maintaining uptime.

Also be interested if max defence lets you shrug off elder ogre attacks etc.

[Moz]

On the other side, my 10-175 assassin briefly switched to sorc to dragonforge the best Archstaff in the game for my pawn, and did exactly 0 damage to everything dangerous in BBI with basic attacks. Great fun watching the pawns try to handle cursed dragons and the Dark bishop by themselves. So maybe attack stats don't matter if you go MA in BBI? They certainly matter if you try to Sorc.

Edit: I didn't have the magic damage augments, these would make a big difference of course. Maybe even enough to push through some damage. You think even if the worst leveled stats could manage to break armor by design, you'd still prefer that extra ~750 dmg per attack that going pure sorc would afford you.

[Forblaze]

Originally posted by Tenouchi:

On the other side, my 10-175 assassin briefly switched to sorc to dragonforge the best Archstaff in the game for my pawn, and did exactly 0 damage to everything dangerous in BBI with basic attacks. Great fun watching the pawns try to handle cursed dragons and the Dark bishop by themselves. So maybe attack stats don't matter if you go MA in BBI? They certainly matter if you try to Sorc.

This was closer to my experience in BBI. I split my levels between assassin and sorcerer in the base game and had to rely on consumables and pawns to get through most encounters.

[rjafarrow]

Originally posted by Tenouchi:

On the other side, my 10-175 assassin briefly switched to sorc to dragonforge the best Archstaff in the game for my pawn, and did exactly 0 damage to everything dangerous in BBI with basic attacks. Great fun watching the pawns try to handle cursed dragons and the Dark bishop by themselves. So maybe attack stats don't matter if you go MA in BBI? They certainly matter if you try to Sorc.

Hmm, I'll give it a shot. I know a magick build does a lot better fighting with strength skills but are you saying maelstrom didn't kill gorecyclopses, elder ogres, eliminators and most dragons?

Did Ingle not kill living armour?

Or are you saying holy bolts were no good?
Also did you use all the magick augments available?

[UwU]

Casual meter is of the scale here.

[rjafarrow]

Well with 1848 magick I just killed the Thunderwyvern in Duskmoon Tower. Took a while but fun fight. Dissarmed my only pawn so no augment or pawn help.

Now lets see if I can get my 1 star staff forged by a cursed dragon...

"Casual meter is of the scale here."

Me or them? :)

Lol, cursed dragon was a piece of cake. Hardest part was buffing the staff with my dumb arse pawn getting in the way. Oh and getting cursed as I'm wearing queens clothing. So yeah 1848 magick + curse.

[Taron]

I agree, leveling for stats is a pointless waste of time. Play with whatever vocation you like and your stats will be fine. Player skill and gear trumps stats so much its not even funny.

[rjafarrow]

Originally posted by Taron:

I agree, leveling for stats is a pointless waste of time. Play with whatever vocation you like and your stats will be fine. Player skill and gear trumps stats so much its not even funny.

Actually I am having more fun like this. Didn't get the staff forged so what should I try next?

Please don't say metal golem...

[RK/Dragonfly]

Originally posted by rjafarrow:

Originally posted by Taron:

I agree, leveling for stats is a pointless waste of time. Play with whatever vocation you like and your stats will be fine. Player skill and gear trumps stats so much its not even funny.

Actually I am having more fun like this. Didn't get the staff forged so what should I try next?

Please don't say metal golem...

4 warriors vs 7 living armours - do it.

[Nyx]

While you can indeed make most stuff no matter how you build it, this post bases the experience off two of the strongest end game vocations, assassin and MA. Richocet annihilates everything in close quarters no matter what. Assassins likewise shines against mostly everything that isn't a wraith.
Running into Daimon with a 2k matk sorc and you're making life hard on yourself. Is it doable? Totally, but it's gonna take a hell lot longer.

Now the question is, should you worry? If you're just planning to run though everything once and be done with the game? Do not worry at all.
If you're planning to spend hour upon hour farming, you're gonna make life a LOT easier by planning out your leveling stats. That or go for a solo critical health build to boost your attacks.

Edit: Not trying to poop on your party, just want to point out that it matters based off what you want to make the game for yourself.

[Taron]

Originally posted by WheelofDeath:

Originally posted by rjafarrow:

Actually I am having more fun like this. Didn't get the staff forged so what should I try next?

Please don't say metal golem...

4 warriors vs 7 living armours - do it.

Where can you fight 7 living armors at once anyway? I only know where to find 3 at once.

Here's 1 low-ish level warrior vs 1 living armor though!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kolxgYLmctw

[HunterMag]

iirc from back on my PS3 theorycrafting/game science days, the damage threshold to hurt everything was 1500 for hybrid damage(mag/phys combo), and 2250 for pure str/mag

[RK/Dragonfly]

Originally posted by Taron:

Originally posted by WheelofDeath:

4 warriors vs 7 living armours - do it.

Where can you fight 7 living armors at once anyway? I only know where to find 3 at once.

Here's 1 low-ish level warrior vs 1 living armor though!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kolxgYLmctw

Fun! Fiend luring incense in the black abbey, one spawn group is 7 Living armour along with a Wight and a Lich.

[rjafarrow]

Bishop was a bit tricky though mostly because trying to hard cast maelstrom without Articulacy slotted is not a great idea.

Sadly I got the staff enchanted so I am sitting on a massive 2.6k magick not leveled as mage so no augment there.

Dunno how to get 7 living armours and 4 warriors together and living armour as sorcerer with 4.7k magick is slow going anyway, 10 warriors, if you mean pawns would be easy. Edit: never gotten them in black abbey yet.

Originally posted by Nyx:

If you're planning to spend hour upon hour farming, you're gonna make life a LOT easier by planning out your leveling stats. That or go for a solo critical health build to boost your attacks.

Thing is having spent some time gearing a min/maxed strength and then magick characters I've found it a lot more enjoyable gimping yourself.

You have to think that the difference between the highest strength build and the lowest is 700 and the difference between the highest magick build and the lowest is 600.

With the right gear this difference means nothing and with a balanced build you can get the right gear easily (max magic assassin using blast arrows can farm Daimon on hard easily). With the PS3 version this may have made a difference but with BBI weapons it really doesn't matter and getting a lvl 1 weapon is as easy as walking in and opening a chest.

For a level two weapon you just have to exploit range and kill a mob that cannot hurt you.

It has taken me quite some time to realise this so I thought it may be helpful to others and save them some time if it is pointed out.

[RK/Dragonfly]

You and three pawns as Warriors, have fiend luring incense in your inventory go to the black abbey until they spawn and fight them ALL at once. :p

Dw about it, there's probably an easy way to do it but it's still a fight worth doing if you want to kill time.

Not talking about corrupted pawns.

[rjafarrow]

Originally posted by WheelofDeath:

Originally posted by Taron:

Where can you fight 7 living armors at once anyway? I only know where to find 3 at once.

Here's 1 low-ish level warrior vs 1 living armor though!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kolxgYLmctw

Fun! Fiend luring incense in the black abbey, one spawn group is 7 Living armour along with a Wight and a Lich.

Oh wait, I have. I was on magick archer though so the fight was easy to forget. ;)

Originally posted by WheelofDeath:

You and three pawns as Warriors, have fiend luring incense in your inventory go to the black abbey until they spawn and fight them ALL at once. :p

Dw about it, there's probably an easy way to do it but it's still a fight worth doing if you want to kill time.

Not talking about corrupted pawns.

With 2k magick archer can kill them in three shots. No matter how high your magick is (barring hacks) armour is a pain for sorcerer and almost all vocations.

I have killed one with a sorcerer leveled assassin using Chilling Razors, that count for much?