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Dodowingster May 25, 2023 @ 3:03am
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Why do people want multiplayer for this?
I am genuinely curious. I dont understand having an immersive open world RPG should be multiplayer. Like Skyrim or Witcher 3. The narrative for this game is pretty damn cool. The pawn system is innovative and sick af, I dont know why Capcom didnt patent it. So I ask why do players want Multiplayer for this game?
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Originally posted by FreshRevenge:
My experience with co op games is people who most play co op or multiplayer games don't want to explore or engage in the story elements of the game. They just want to get into the thick of it with combat. Another downside is usually the person spoils the game for them. So you are being handheld by another player. Like look there is chest here or there something here you should look at. The host is being dragged where to go most of the time since they feel obligated to stick with their buddy. So they might skip story sections or lore bits in co op. I have seen it.

What usually happens is one person is off doing their own thing while you may be reading lore or trying to follow the story. It's hard to follow the story if you have a friend or buddy that just wants to get to the objective marker. It's the same thing with movies. I always have to watch the movie alone again because when you are with friends, you aren't paying the same attention.

I think they can add a separate online portion made specifically for co op or mp. But I am content that leave it out of the main game.

Another argument being thrown around is, it's optional so why should it matter? The developers have to make the game. They have put the resources for online and a solo experience. From a creative directive side of things, it's just better to focus on solo aspect of the game because when you add co op, it is a different experience.

I also bet you if the game did offer co op people would complain. It would feel tacked on because the game is designed for a single player experience rather than a co op experience. They would have to restructure the whole game with co op in mind.

The pawns are designed to follow the player, they don't go off and do their own thing. They go with you and fight enemies you are attacking and you move on.

A good co op game called It Takes Two is designed specifically for co op. The puzzles and combat needs another person to play.

I bet you if I played it solo I would retained most of the story and lore than a person who plays it co op. It would be like "You remember that part when that character said this" "um I don't remember that" Like I said most people who play mp games don't care about story in the game or the lore or characters in the game. It's about taking a griffon down with someone. That is what I mostly hear people who want co op talk about. How cool it would be if you had your friend fight this monster or dragon etc. It's never really about "I can't wait to play so my friend can explore and learn about the story"

This is a single player story driven and narrative story. Let it be that.
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Grr. [SG CMD] Majah Lazah May 25, 2023 @ 3:13am 
A ♥♥♥♥ ton of people want MP for the very games you mentioned. Skyrim Together authors got about two million bucks to do so.
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Dodowingster May 25, 2023 @ 4:08am 
Originally posted by Grr. SG CMD Majah Lazah:
A ♥♥♥♥ ton of people want MP for the very games you mentioned. Skyrim Together authors got about two million bucks to do so.

Fair enough but how about games like Mass Effect and Dragon Age? Those kind of games no? Where as the quality is focused on Quests, Story and the RPG aspects like the Forgery system and etc

I like to think that for the Coop feature, go to Monster Hunter. Let this game cook its own recipe and stand on its own with the Pawn System.
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Rusted Metal May 25, 2023 @ 4:36am 
because going on a grand adventure is already amazing, going on a grand adventure and exploring a new world with a real life friend is very magical, There isn't many open world coop RPGs, actually i can only even think of one: Outward.
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Epitome May 25, 2023 @ 4:58am 
Originally posted by Dodowingster:
The pawn system is innovative and sick af, I dont know why Capcom didnt patent it.
Because there are no objects that can be patented?
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Greb May 25, 2023 @ 5:36am 
The AI dynamics and abilities you have would make for an amazing co-op game, far cut above all of the rest.

I'd genuinely enjoy an insanely hard endless dungeon similar to Bitterblack Isle or whatever, but with four players going down through it, as a form of end-game content.

Gimme a singleplayer with other players pawns for 95% of the gameplay, but then let me access "THE TOWER" at the end of the game where I can buddy up with other players to fight ever more dangerous threats and explore an ever more deeper dungeon.

I just wanna use all those wonderful tools they gave us, without having to teach an AI companion (or rely on hired ones being taught) how to use them, that's all.

I'm not salty in the slightest that it says "Players: 1" on the website though, but just sayin' - it'd be nice to use all these classes and tools in a multiplayer environment.
Originally posted by Epitome:
Because there are no objects that can be patented?
Didn't stop those dumbasses patenting the "Nemesis System" :steamfacepalm:
Last edited by Greb; May 25, 2023 @ 5:36am
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Grr. [SG CMD] Majah Lazah May 25, 2023 @ 6:45am 
Originally posted by Dodowingster:
Originally posted by Grr. SG CMD Majah Lazah:
A ♥♥♥♥ ton of people want MP for the very games you mentioned. Skyrim Together authors got about two million bucks to do so.

Fair enough but how about games like Mass Effect and Dragon Age? Those kind of games no? Where as the quality is focused on Quests, Story and the RPG aspects like the Forgery system and etc

I like to think that for the Coop feature, go to Monster Hunter. Let this game cook its own recipe and stand on its own with the Pawn System.

ME3MP is LITERALLY the sole reason anyone gives a ♥♥♥♥ about ME4, cause it sure as hell wasn't Andromeda. There are people playing ME3MP on Xbox and OPc right now as we speak... just like this game.
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Leylin Archeron May 25, 2023 @ 6:49am 
What's so surprising about that? We live in countries where the average qi is in double digits, millions of people are stupid, do stupid things and desire stupid things.
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toughnails May 25, 2023 @ 7:13am 
Because Dragon's Dogma is not exactly a story heavy game and playing PvE with actual humans is vastly more fun than derping around with dumb AI bots. Both Monster Hunter and Elden Ring (closest games gameplay wise) have co-op, so this is just weird.
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EricHVela May 25, 2023 @ 7:36am 
If they can do it for DOS, DOS2, and BG3, they can do it for any RPG focused on quests and story.

The thing is: Nobody is being forced into it. If we want to play solo, we can.

It's the story-focused games that are strictly MP that annoy me. Busy people can't always consistently find time to work together, but there's little I can do about it. If the game is strictly MP and we can't find the time to play together, it's a game we must skip. That's just life.
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FreshRevenge May 25, 2023 @ 7:54am 
Personally I don't want to see co op at all. Maybe they can add some dungeon type co op play later but for the main game, I want Dragon's Dogma to be that, Dragon's Dogma.

The Pawn system was very unique. This is why a lot people enjoyed it. I am sick of people trying to make a game into something it isn't. It doesn't need to be Dark Souls or Monster Hunter or Diablo 4 for that matter.

If people are so dead set on playing co op there are plenty of games that offer that.
Last edited by FreshRevenge; May 25, 2023 @ 7:55am
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Epitome May 25, 2023 @ 9:06am 
Originally posted by Greb:
Didn't stop those dumbasses patenting the "Nemesis System" :steamfacepalm:
That's true.
1) Сertain system of rules for interaction between elements of game world has been patented, and only literal copying of entire system will violate patent. Any developer can make arbitrarily similar system.
2) Where I live, patent law does not allow to patent game rules, as well as any programs.
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Shun May 25, 2023 @ 9:09am 
Originally posted by Leylin:
What's so surprising about that? We live in countries where the average qi is in double digits, millions of people are stupid, do stupid things and desire stupid things.

I agree, this comment is a prime example of that.
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Shun May 25, 2023 @ 9:13am 
Originally posted by Dodowingster:
I like to think that for the Coop feature, go to Monster Hunter. Let this game cook its own recipe and stand on its own with the Pawn System.

Me and my brother already play MH together. Didn't stop us from wishing DD2 was made with coop in mind. It's not like we are asking for something that's super far fetched, Dragon's Dogma Online was a thing.

I played Dragon's Dogma Online with my brothers and MH is just never gonna scratch that itch.
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Yoshikami May 25, 2023 @ 9:19am 
Well most people have friends and there is literally no downsides to having an optional multiplayer. It's fun exploring with a buddy and doing some shenanigans here and there. The easiest way to implement multiplayer is to have another player replace one of your pawns. Basically your buddy plays as one of your pawns. It is entirely optional and you can always choose an AI pawn.

I challenge anyone to give me a downside to this kind of implementation lmao. I doubt anyone could. It is entirely optional so people who value complete immersion can choose not to engage with the system and don't have to sacrifice anything. People who desire to play with a buddy will most likely prioritize getting their friend to play so they would not mind having a smarter pawn per se even if it kinda breaks the lore.
Last edited by Yoshikami; May 25, 2023 @ 9:28am
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Dodowingster May 25, 2023 @ 10:14am 
Originally posted by Yoshikami:
Well most people have friends and there is literally no downsides to having an optional multiplayer. It's fun exploring with a buddy and doing some shenanigans here and there. The easiest way to implement multiplayer is to have another player replace one of your pawns. Basically your buddy plays as one of your pawns. It is entirely optional and you can always choose an AI pawn.

I challenge anyone to give me a downside to this kind of implementation lmao. I doubt anyone could. It is entirely optional so people who value complete immersion can choose not to engage with the system and don't have to sacrifice anything. People who desire to play with a buddy will most likely prioritize getting their friend to play so they would not mind having a smarter pawn per se even if it kinda breaks the lore.

There is a downside, its client sided. You cant progress your character even though you play with your friend. Maybe you can bring monster materials and item rewards but thats just making the game more of a chore so now you need to do the quests twice.
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