Do people still use cheated pawns?

[Hanalyd]

I remember playing this on my old X360 and there were a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ of pawns that had max stats and all knowledge...
Which pretty much made the game boring :(
Is that still there in the PC version?

[Paradox]

Pawns with hacked stats or vocations are automatically flagged as corrupt by the server and cannot be summoned under normal circumstances.

[Hanalyd]

Originally posted by Paradox:

Pawns with hacked stats or vocations are automatically flagged as corrupt by the server and cannot be summoned under normal circumstances.

Aaah thats better.
Wonder why people even do that :S

[Huggles the Cat]

Never saw anything like that on the PS3 (guessing it was harder to hack). The only trace i've heard of for hacking is that some people early in the game's release on PC hacked their character into the top 100 list. I've also encountered a level 5 warrior in the rift at the begining of the game (in the first week of release). I've not seen anything since then and most people with hacked online characters seem to show up as private (i'm guessing those are hacked characters). I never see anything out of ordinary characters. And that level 5 warrior reverted into a fighter once summoned, so the game doesn't seem to allow cheating.

[Paradox]

The private pawns are those whose owners have their sharing settings set to Friends Only or No One. The only way to identify a hacked pawn is when you try to summon it and get the message "Corrupt Pawn Data Has Been Omitted"

[Hanalyd]

Originally posted by Paradox:

The private pawns are those whose owners have their sharing settings set to Friends Only or No One. The only way to identify a hacked pawn is when you try to summon it and get the message "Corrupt Pawn Data Has Been Omitted"

Yeah thats the same message you got on the 360 I remember.
But it was that insane that almost all pawns where cheated.
Only usable pawns where game generated pawns with low levels.

[Karathrax]

Sorry for necromancing this thread, but I found something I was looking for when I was thinking of a reply.

The majority of cheating on the pawn leaderboard is inflated rent count. Almost all of the top ten here on Steam are there due to that. Generally, one can instantly tell if the lifetime pawn rank's been cheated if the player suddenly appears in the rankings and yet isn't anywhere in the top Monthly list.

The second cheat, that of inflated or bad pawn stats or resting online with a pawn that has been edited to have one of the hybrid vocations, causes "Corrupted Pawn Data Omitted" rejections when they're summoned by another player. Even if a hybrid-vocation pawn is edited back to a correct vocation, the pawn is banned from the online database for the life of the save file, e.g., only starting a New Game completely fresh will remove this hard ban.

The way to tell if a pawn's stats have been subtly (or in some cases, not so subtly edited) to stay within the legit-stats checks is whether or not the pawn's stat points add up.

An example:

What are the pawn's base (unequipped) stats for Strength and Magick, the two most commonly jimmied stats?

The maximum combined base Strength/Magic for a pawn is 1124

All starter vocations have 194 at level 10.
Max growth for EITHER strength or magick (not both) from 11-100 is 7 (Warrior, Ranger, Sorcerer). 7 x 90 = 630
Max growth 101-200 is 3, from Sorcerer ONLY. 3 x 100 = 300
194 + 630 + 300 = 1124

Any pawn with combined BASE strength and magick over 1124 at level 200 is hacked.

[BurningTofu]

It can also be corrupted by using stat altering mods available in Nexus Mod website. Just becareful and think twice before using them.

[Azithz]

Originally posted by Karathrax:

Sorry for necromancing this thread, but I found something I was looking for when I was thinking of a reply.

The majority of cheating on the pawn leaderboard is inflated rent count. Almost all of the top ten here on Steam are there due to that. Generally, one can instantly tell if the lifetime pawn rank's been cheated if the player suddenly appears in the rankings and yet isn't anywhere in the top Monthly list.

The second cheat, that of inflated or bad pawn stats or resting online with a pawn that has been edited to have one of the hybrid vocations, causes "Corrupted Pawn Data Omitted" rejections when they're summoned by another player. Even if a hybrid-vocation pawn is edited back to a correct vocation, the pawn is banned from the online database for the life of the save file, e.g., only starting a New Game completely fresh will remove this hard ban.

The way to tell if a pawn's stats have been subtly (or in some cases, not so subtly edited) to stay within the legit-stats checks is whether or not the pawn's stat points add up.

An example:

What are the pawn's base (unequipped) stats for Strength and Magick, the two most commonly jimmied stats?

The maximum combined base Strength/Magic for a pawn is 1124

All starter vocations have 194 at level 10.
Max growth for EITHER strength or magick (not both) from 11-100 is 7 (Warrior, Ranger, Sorcerer). 7 x 90 = 630
Max growth 101-200 is 3, from Sorcerer ONLY. 3 x 100 = 300
194 + 630 + 300 = 1124

Any pawn with combined BASE strength and magick over 1124 at level 200 is hacked.

So i read breifly what was going on in your explanation. However my pawn got omitted even though i dint use any hacks or 3rd party modifying program. i read online saying renting tampered pawn can cause this. However will NG+ fix it?

[TazoAll]

I should also notice this out.

i used save editor today because of the gransys 3star knowledge to see which spot i miss.
it seems it's possible to figure it out but need very boring jobs.

Anyway, Ive rent some pawns in the top to see their datas for the comparison.
What i've found out is that the pawn in the top rank in this month is also cheat pawns.

Draken, Carrie, Morrigan 's quest/beast/area knowledge is cheated.

It seems the game only ban the stat modified pawns.

[Karathrax]

Oh really? Draken is not cheated.

I have no interest in modding files and I don't know how to do so. His build is 1-10 Fighter, 25 levels Warrior and all the rest is Ranger-- and he has two +STR rings. All of his knowledge was picked up either by having been rented several thousand times, or by earning it myself.

[Azithz]

guess not since nobody replied to my question

[Karathrax]

"So i read breifly what was going on in your explanation. However my pawn got omitted even though i dint use any hacks or 3rd party modifying program. i read online saying renting tampered pawn can cause this. However will NG+ fix it?"

If you're using no mods, there's no reason for a pawn to be blocked from rents; I once tried to rent a pawn and got the "Corrupt Pawn Data Omitted" message, then summoned it again to make sure, and when it appeared in the rift from the second summons, there was nothing overtly wrong with it.

I've heard that using the popular mods for altering sprint and weight limitations can cause that, because the stamina stats on the main pawn are messed up. Don't ask me how that works, I have no clue.

My assumption that if the stats were fixed for correct stat gains according to the game's design, that would fix a pawn's corrupted status. However, if the pawn's been modded to a hybrid vocation and uploaded to the online data base, only a completely new game erasing the old save file will lift that particular ban.

[TazoAll]

Originally posted by Karathrax:

Oh really? Draken is not cheated.

I have no interest in modding files and I don't know how to do so. His build is 1-10 Fighter, 25 levels Warrior and all the rest is Ranger-- and he has two +STR rings. All of his knowledge was picked up either by having been rented several thousand times, or by earning it myself.

I will give you simple example.
The way to cheat the knowledge, which can be found in the internet, is giving the relative terms as 4294967295.

This is 32 bit that all bits are 1.
However, the normal value of each terms can not be like that. some of the terms in the knowledge use less than 32 bits. Some of them only use 5 bit.



On the other hand, Draken's knowledge data are all set to 4294967295, which means this is cheat.

I don't know you cheat this one or not, and don't care.
But yours pawn's data are cheated.


And surprisely only 1 pawns who have full knowledge was not cheated among 5 i investigated.

[Karathrax]

Interesting that you say you don't care, yet you make it your business to make accusations about things you don't fully understand. It's still a fact that I haven't hacked my save game, since I don't know how. I barely understand how to download the simplest of files for Skyrim, haha!

I doubt you are aware that pawn knowledge data can be transmitted from pawn to pawn by a downloading error from one's IP called "the Knowledge Glitch." Three of of my alts on Xbox gained full bestiary knowledge that way, and my main pawn on PS3 gained its last star for Seneschal that way. Seneschal knowledge cannot be acquired through a rent unless that happens, and if you bother googling "the knowledge glitch', you'll find that it's been discussed on console as early as January of 2013. Once pawn knowledge starts being passed around from game to game via the knowledge glitch, it's impossible to halt its spread.

That said, the third and final star for my pawn's location knowledge, which was Gransys, came from a rent from my daughter, which I told her about when it happened, uh, I think, in March. The last bestiary star for Cursed Dragon filled in from a rent around the same time-- I remember heaving a huge sigh of relief because I wasn't thrilled with having to do that one myself.

[Huggles the Cat]

Originally posted by Toby:

guess not since nobody replied to my question

Unfortunatly, I don't know anything about what your problem is. What do you mean by "omitted"? Are you meaning "banned"? From personal experiance, I've rented hacked pawns (both voactions they couldn't have been and gear restricted from their vocation) and I never recieved any soft or hard ban status. A friend in the dragon's dogma discrod group has also experamented with rented pawns (all non hacked) and used a cheat tool to give them gear, stats, and vocations they couldn't possibly be or have. He then sent them back to their owners and they reported that nothing bad came back with the pawn (it acted as a normal rent). If there is a soft ban on your account then it's tied to your account and you'll have to wait the number of hours or days till it's lifted (not sure if you're notified about it or not since i've never been baned and soft bans can last up to two weeks i'm told). If you have a hard ban, then you'll have to restart your game (no NG+). Only a standard New Game will remove a hard ban as that is banning your pawn, not your account.