BBI is the end for me

[Sokurah]

So i farmed some Wyvern to get my Dragons Vein and Rancor to lvl 3, my rancor even got dragon forged and i barely do any damage after the great evil eye fight.

I found the second Void Key. To get it you need to defeat a gang of humans / bandits whatever and i barely made it.

The crystal Dragon or whatever that attacks you after you find the key took no damage at all. The Minotaur i could barely took one health bar off. Then i shot him of the cliff XD

Its just no fun anymore and a huge spike in difficulty that feels weird to me. I dont see how i could get better gear.

I got a Longbow from these BBI items you need to purify, well i dont use longbow anymore.

I'm finished. I had a great time and the game exceeded my expectations both in playtime and in fun but its time to move on.

[Striker]

Sorry to see U go.

[Sokurah]

Originally posted by Striker:

Sorry to see U go.

Why so toxic? Or does my sarcasm detector need readjustment?

Anyway thx to the community for helping and giving advice.

[Ophiuchus]

BBI is like advancing in difficulty tiers in Diablo 2 or 3: sometimes you just need that one good piece of gear. I went into BBI at level 100 with all equipment dragonforged and still had some difficulties. After upgrading a few pieces to silver, my power snowballed and it continued from there. Fighting the Ur-Dragon offline is a good way to dragonforge your stuff and gain levels since it repawns fast.

[Grr. [SG CMD] Majah Lazah]

BBI gives you the gear to master it.

[Halcyform]

BBI isn't meant to be easy - not at first, anyway.

Dragon's Dogma has a beastiary for a reason. Enemies have weaknesses and/or blindspots. Find them and use them. You are NOT going to be able to brute force you way through BBI unless you have high enough numbers on your attack and/or magic damage. If your numbers are too low, the enemy's resistance negates your attacks.

Some enemies also need to be hit in specific spots to reveals their weakspot.

When you are first starting out, you can simply run around and loot chests instead of fighting. There are specific chests that have a chance to drop weapons and/or cursed items. Save before looting the chest. If you don't get what you were looking for, quit (without saving) and reload.

There are some neat secrets to BBI you only discover by exploring and/or using certain items in specific places.

BBI doesn't appeal to everyone, I guess.

A mistake that many people make is defeating the final boss of BBI as soon as they can. Don't do that.

Edit: you also have the option to take some hired muscle with you. If you friend people who play(ed) DD, you can rent their pawns for free.

[Sokurah]

Originally posted by Grr. SG CMD Majah Lazah:

BBI gives you the gear to master it.

No it doesnt. I'm not running around for hours to find gear.

If gear is so important it should be a fixed thing. Not a chance.

Like i said. Even the basic human enemies down there are op af even with buffs from my mage pawn.

Its just no fun anymore that way. And it came all of the sudden. Till the big evil eye everything was okay.

And thats a shame because bbi is neat and the best part lvl design wise tbh.

Also i'm playing offline only with standard pawns that cost nothing. Worked for the whole game so far. If i need to hire op pawns to keep going i'm out.

I'm lvl 70 or so. I'm not farming and grinding to keep going. If the game doesnt let me go on naturally i'm out.

Its no skill check like in sekiro or so. You just got no change dealing f*ck all damage.
I made all Bloodbore dungeons and i much prefer the way they did it.

[Senki]

If fournival is still in your game, you can buy consumables from him that significantly buff your damage. Also if you're playing a bow class you can buy blast arrows from the shop in gran soren which also deal a lot of damage.

It's worth going through BBI at least twice, after that it becomes just a grindy dungeon for people that want all the good gear in the game which not everyone likes to do.

[Sokurah]

Originally posted by Senki:

If fournival is still in your game, you can buy consumables from him that significantly buff your damage. Also if you're playing a bow class you can buy blast arrows from the shop in gran soren which also deal a lot of damage.

It's worth going through BBI at least twice, after that it becomes just a grindy dungeon for people that want all the good gear in the game which not everyone likes to do.

I read just that on reddit. Use blast arrows and the buff items.

You should never ever in any game need to rely on special buff items just to keep going. They should help make some things easier but not the sole way to be able to move on.

I barely ever used special arrows or buff consumables and had no problem until now.

[Grr. [SG CMD] Majah Lazah]

Originally posted by Sokurah:

Originally posted by Grr. SG CMD Majah Lazah:

BBI gives you the gear to master it.

No it doesnt. I'm not running around for hours to find gear.

If gear is so important it should be a fixed thing. Not a chance.

Like i said. Even the basic human enemies down there are op af even with buffs from my mage pawn.

Its just no fun anymore that way. And it came all of the sudden. Till the big evil eye everything was okay.

And thats a shame because bbi is neat and the best part lvl design wise tbh.

Also i'm playing offline only with standard pawns that cost nothing. Worked for the whole game so far. If i need to hire op pawns to keep going i'm out.

I'm lvl 70 or so. I'm not farming and grinding to keep going. If the game doesnt let me go on naturally i'm out.

Its no skill check like in sekiro or so. You just got no change dealing f*ck all damage.
I made all Bloodbore dungeons and i much prefer the way they did it.

Cool story but your opinions aren't facts and it is indeed a skill check. Also, apropo of nothing, the first four floors of BBI have drop rates of 25% for BB2s.

You not hiring competent online pawns is your fault. You refusing to learn enemy strengths and weaknesses is your fault. You using a mage pawn and expecting to just button mash face tank is your fault. You not getting rusted weapons which are given to you at the beginning of the game to three stars which you can do from Reynard, the very first vendor you meet is your fault.

also megalol at invoking Sekiro, which actively holds your hands at technique usage and then complaining about skill checks.

[Sokurah]

Originally posted by Grr. SG CMD Majah Lazah:

Originally posted by Sokurah:

No it doesnt. I'm not running around for hours to find gear.

If gear is so important it should be a fixed thing. Not a chance.

Like i said. Even the basic human enemies down there are op af even with buffs from my mage pawn.

Its just no fun anymore that way. And it came all of the sudden. Till the big evil eye everything was okay.

And thats a shame because bbi is neat and the best part lvl design wise tbh.

Also i'm playing offline only with standard pawns that cost nothing. Worked for the whole game so far. If i need to hire op pawns to keep going i'm out.

I'm lvl 70 or so. I'm not farming and grinding to keep going. If the game doesnt let me go on naturally i'm out.

Its no skill check like in sekiro or so. You just got no change dealing f*ck all damage.
I made all Bloodbore dungeons and i much prefer the way they did it.

Cool story but your opinions aren't facts and it is indeed a skill check. Also, apropo of nothing, the first four floors of BBI have drop rates of 25% for BB2s.

You not hiring competent online pawns is your fault. You refusing to learn enemy strengths and weaknesses is your fault. You using a mage pawn and expecting to just button mash face tank is your fault. You not getting rusted weapons which are given to you at the beginning of the game to three stars which you can do from Reynard, the very first vendor you meet is your fault.

also megalol at invoking Sekiro, which actively holds your hands at technique usage and then complaining about skill checks.

Super lol if you think fighting with better gear and pawns has anything to do with skill.

BBI gave me no better daggers or bow and also the whole game is basically tank enemies.

[Guh~hey~hey~♫]

No. BBi isnt too hard, if anything it's too easy. You can go there at level 7 and beat it solo on hardmode before even going to Gran Soren.... DDDA isnt much about gear and level, it's about tactic and knowledge.
If you struggle in BBi, it just means you arent ready for it yet... and I'm not talking about your character gear or level, I'm talking about yourself as player: You didnt understand the basics of the game yet.

So go learn them in gransis. Though it will be difficult to learn them once you got an overleveled character, because you'll be able to force your way trough ennemies without using any of the game mechanics.
But you can still try, use low level gear, listen to your pawns advice in combat and if you dont get what they're telling you to do persevere understanding it (do not try to do things your way because it will only work against weak underleveled ennemies), dont try to out-dps ennemies like you would in a elder scroll game but rather try to control/manipulate them and only finish them once they end up knocked down/neutralized.
There's much more but once someone gets completely used to those mechanics, it is difficult to list them all since they all kinda become reflexes, things you do without thinking...

Other things: learn ennemies weaknesses (elemental, but also slash, blunt and debilitation), their weakspot, their pattern, their stagger animation, and their specific mechanics (all of them have at least one).
Then learn what's the purpose of your skills.... not all skills are designed for damage dealing, some are designed for KD, some for utility, some for iframe, buff, support, etc.... if you take no skills designed for dps, your damage output will suck big time, and if in Gransis it should be enough to beat underleveled ennemies, in BBi it wont work anymore...

Or just give up on the game.... maybe you're just not made for it...

[Sokurah]

Originally posted by せがた三四郎:

No. BBi isnt too hard, if anything it's too easy. You can go there at level 7 and beat it solo on hardmode before even going to Gran Soren.... DDDA isnt much about gear and level, it's about tactic and knowledge.
If you struggle in BBi, it just means you arent ready for it yet... and I'm not talking about your character gear or level, I'm talking about yourself as player: You didnt understand the basics of the game yet.

So go learn them in gransis. Though it will be difficult to learn them once you got an overleveled character, because you'll be able to force your way trough ennemies without using any of the game mechanics.
But you can still try, use low level gear, listen to your pawns advice in combat and if you dont get what they're telling you to do persevere understanding it (do not try to do things your way because it will only work against weak underleveled ennemies), dont try to out-dps ennemies like you would in a elder scroll game but rather try to control/manipulate them and only finish them once they end up knocked down/neutralized.
There's much more but once someone gets completely used to those mechanics, it is difficult to list them all since they all kinda become reflexes, things you do without thinking...

Other things: learn ennemies weaknesses (elemental, but also slash, blunt and debilitation), their weakspot, their pattern, their stagger animation, and their specific mechanics (all of them have at least one).
Then learn what's the purpose of your skills.... not all skills are designed for damage dealing, some are designed for KD, some for utility, some for iframe, buff, support, etc.... if you take no skills designed for dps, your damage output will suck big time, and if in Gransis it should be enough to beat underleveled ennemies, in BBi it wont work anymore...

Or just give up on the game.... maybe you're just not made for it...

You can beat the whole game without thinking of anything. I got to the second lvl of BBI. I played 70 hours and NOW suddenly i need to understand something to just keep going?

I really enjoyed my time but if thats true, wow what a fu*king sh*t design is that supposed to be 🤣

[Halcyform]

Wait. You are talking about human enemies but also talking about BBI? It's been awhile since I've played this game regularly, but I don't remember much in the way of human enemies in BBI. Maybe I'm having a Biden moment.

It sounds like you are venturing into territory you aren't supposed to be in, and instead of realizing it, you are repeatedly bashing your head into the wall.

[Sokurah]

Originally posted by Halcyform:

Wait. You are talking about human enemies but also talking about BBI? It's been awhile since I've played this game regularly, but I don't remember much in the way of human enemies in BBI. Maybe I'm having a Biden moment.

It sounds like you are venturing into territory you aren't supposed to be in, and instead of realizing it, you are repeatedly bashing your head into the wall.

There are some assassin and fighter like humans with some mages in the room where you find the second void key.

I have nothing else to do in the game.

Anyway not many ppl seem to finish BBI. The big evil eye is 13 % or so achievement. Its more like a Hardcore part for ppl that are really 100 % into this game and want to find all these weak spots and tactics and stuff.

You dont need to know any of that until then. You can have fun just using the skills that are most fun to you and keep spamming attacks.

If you're into that. Thats fine but it only seem to be fun for a small amount of the players.

Have a nice day.

[Epitome]

Well done. Finished - then, find yourself other games to your liking.