Dragon's Dogma: Dark Arisen

Dragon's Dogma: Dark Arisen

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Icedfate Mar 17, 2020 @ 4:22pm
when does ur dragon loot appear?
I just went to fight the ur dragon for the first time.
I was hoping to encounter the "offline" version, but apparently, i had to fight the onlind version generation 1013.

firstly, i'm not really sure how to fight it. I read the guides online, about the hearts all over its body and i'm pretty sure i was hitting the hearts and didn't see any difference at all. like i'm doing no damage.
I also see people saying "it just looks like you're not doing damage, because his health is so high"...
I'm level 104 now, with 1000 attack power and i feel like i'm back in the intro cutscene where i'm a level 1 goodfishertrying to hit his ankle with a rusty sword...okay, whatever, i digressed.


what i want to know is, when do I get to collect the loot for my contribution?

the wiki says "the next time you enter the chamber, a cutscene plays, pointing to the loot"

but when i went back in, there was no cutscene and there was no loot.

then i went back to town and rested and went back in

and had to fight another round with him.

so, when does it award the loot?
do I have to wait until after grace is called and someone kills it and then it tallies up what i contributed and awards my loot?

or did I just not even do enough damage?

do I need top tier BBI gear for this?
Last edited by Icedfate; Mar 19, 2020 @ 4:56pm
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Guh~hey~hey~♫ Mar 17, 2020 @ 4:54pm 
At the entrance, in front of the stone with the ranking:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1888868469

For the materials they fall from the dragon himself when you break his hearts, so it might be a good idea to bring along an acquisitor pawn that will take care of the loot while you handle the dragon.

In the picture, it's the loot from an online Ur dragon I killed by myself during the night (100% of the damages), so I got the maximum reward you can get... dont expect that much loot for participating in an online (even if you kill it during a grace period, the rewards is proportional to the % of damage you dealt to him) or doing an offline kill.

For the online version, once someone kill it, there's a grace period (around 40 minutes) during which you can kill it too and get the loot immediatey.
If you missed the grace period, next time you'll enter the chamber of lament you'll get this message:

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1888275650

And of course if you killed it during a grace period, you'll have to wait for the grace period to end before it respawn.

You dont really need top tier weapons to particpate because the damage you can deal to Ur is capped. If you do more damages than the cap during the fight (before it flies away), your participation wont be taken into account.
The problem being that Ur is balanced toward the base game, not the DLC. So BBi weapons tend to be overpowered for him and can easily pass the cap.

What you need to do is pay attention to NOT go above the cap... so dont waste periapts on Ur.
Last edited by Guh~hey~hey~♫; Mar 17, 2020 @ 5:13pm
Icedfate Mar 18, 2020 @ 6:07am 
okay, so, are you saying that I don't get the cutscene with the loot until after grace and someone kills it and then it looks at how much i did and then prorates it and rewards me accordingly?

but then, I'm confused. if I do "too much" damage and accidentally go over the cap, the game just voids my entire encounter and doesn't even count it and then I just wasted my time? which that woul really suck, given that there is no indicator to let you know if you hit the cap or not..so we just have to guess?

I mean, I'm pretty sure i didn't go over the cap...his health bar didn't even move.
i clung to his leg and sat there doing thousand cuts for almost the entire encounter popping liquid vims one after another with conquerors periapts and his health bar didn't even move. it felt like i didn't o anything.

and I dunno how his stats are balanced for the base game..
I was using top tier stuff from the vanilla non BBI post game, fully upgraded and dragonforged (I know I said i had 1000 attack power earlier, but i actually have 1400 with the dragon's pain daggers and 1100 with the faye whisper bow, unless are those not top tier items?)

I figured out how to go offline to fight the offline dragon and i killed him a couple of times, but I can't do it all in one go. because of how long it takes to get to each heart and the hearts all over him and the ones on the wingtips are almost impossible to hit. he keeps moving and flapping the wings. Trying to his an extremely tiny, extremely fast moving target is ridiculously frustrating.
it's like if someone handed me a piece of paper with a maze on it and told me to draw a line through the maze without touching the sides an as soon as i start drawing, they start yanking the piece of paper left and right and up and down.

I eventually got him with just repeated attempts whittling him down.

the wiki says that you can use that to measure whether you are ready for the online one, if you can't beat the offline in 1 go, then you aren't ready for the online one.

I can take off all the hearts in one go, except the 2 wingtips and usually one of the ones on the tail makes me struggle because he constantly moves his tail and raises it up to high to grab on or he immediately throws you off the moment you grab on...


I also don't quite understand how grace works.

he goes into grace until someone kills him and then that's it? only 1 person gets the prize? and with so many people, that feels like it's more of a lottery than anything else then.

but then i'm confused again, because the dragon was generation 1013 and there was that katara whatever person, has 937 kills but then someone beneath them has over 800.

so does that mean that multiple people can score a kill during any given grace period?
Last edited by Icedfate; Mar 18, 2020 @ 6:14am
zadymek Mar 18, 2020 @ 7:10am 
Originally posted by Icedfate:
and I dunno how his stats are balanced for the base game..
I was using top tier stuff from the vanilla non BBI post game, fully upgraded and dragonforged (I know I said i had 1000 attack power earlier, but i actually have 1400 with the dragon's pain daggers and 1100 with the faye whisper bow, unless are those not top tier items?)
That would mean you are using rarified weapons, sunshine ;)
In the vanilla dragon forging was a ceiling of enhancement and Ur was balanced for those. I suggest using DF weapons and periapts. Or Maker's Finger.
Guh~hey~hey~♫ Mar 18, 2020 @ 8:11am 
Okay once more.

Ur get into grace period when somebody manage to kill him.

The grace period last 40 minutes during which any other player that fight him will be able to kill him and immediately get his loot.
Once a grace period is over, any player that participated into dealing damage to him will be rewarded and the next Ur generation will spawn.
In that case the reward for the player who participated but missed the grace period will be received next time they enter the chamber of lament, with the message I linked.

Yes, if you go above the cap your participation will be null and void.

Also know that PC version of the online Ur dragon is weaker than the console version for some reasons....
Though there's a little experiment I made that confirmed me that if you kill Ur in one go from full HP to zero, the grace period start even if you obviously went above the cap....(and you get all the reward).
But that require carrying more than 30 maker's fingers in your inventory (you normally can only have 1 at a time without using cheats/glitches/bugs), or massively hacking your stats (didnt try that one, so I'm not sure).

If you got trouble hitting some part of Ur, just take a vocation with which you'll have less troubles doing it. Easiest probably are all ranged vocations, be it magical or physical.

You can very well create a grace period for yourself if you always miss them.
The method is to simply switch to a yellow vocation and do the navette between Fourni-kun and the Ur dragon.
Buy a maker's finger when at Fourni-kun, shot it when at Ur, rince and repeat untill it dies.
You got nothing better to do with your gold anyway....
Can be made less tedious if you manage to get fourni-kun to settle at cassardis inn (after Grigori...) and use the portal to the chamber of lament that appear on cassardis beach to reach Ur.

Last trick: dont waste MF trying to hit Ur's tail's heart.... shot any other heart with your MF and then, while he's staggered, grab his tail and hack at it for a while (1 or 2 thousand/hundred kisses).
Once you're done, just leave the chamber of lament and go buy another MF (to avoid to overdamage him). If you spend more than 2-3 minutes into the chamber of lament you're doing it wrong.
That way you'll progressively destroy the tail heart and wont waste any arrow trying to shot it.

P.S.:
When you kill him dont forget to go on the Ur dragon sighting thread on the forum, to tell other players that Ur is in grace period !
Last edited by Guh~hey~hey~♫; Mar 18, 2020 @ 8:18am
Striker Mar 18, 2020 @ 11:17pm 
What in the world is this guy doing? He said he's at level 14!!! If that's true he's in way over his head.
Karathrax Mar 19, 2020 @ 2:44am 
Actually, it's all too easy to shoot out the tail hearts, with good timing.

The Ur has a repeating animation when it lands. Wait until he leans back and roars, perfect your aim at your chosen tail heart. He will lash the tail from side to side and then he drops his front feet down to the floor.

The moment to shoot is when his front feet hit the ground.
Icedfate Mar 19, 2020 @ 4:52pm 
Originally posted by zadymek:
Originally posted by Icedfate:
and I dunno how his stats are balanced for the base game..
I was using top tier stuff from the vanilla non BBI post game, fully upgraded and dragonforged (I know I said i had 1000 attack power earlier, but i actually have 1400 with the dragon's pain daggers and 1100 with the faye whisper bow, unless are those not top tier items?)
That would mean you are using rarified weapons, sunshine ;)
In the vanilla dragon forging was a ceiling of enhancement and Ur was balanced for those. I suggest using DF weapons and periapts. Or Maker's Finger.
um, no, Cupcake...
I was not using rarified weapons.
I had not even gone to BBI yet when i first attempted that online Ur Dragon.
I had the Dragon's Pain Daggers which is found in post game everfall, dragonforged from killing a regular plain old drake, with clout and vehemence augments.

I jumped on his leg, where a heart was , clung to it, and started popping 4 periapts and a liquid vim at a time. I held on doing hundred kisses (i guess you thought i was using BBI items because I accidentally said "thousand kisses", the upgraded attack)

and clung to him for the entire encounter, he never shook me off and in the end, I did absolutely nothing to his health bar

and YES I understand "he has so much health that you won't see the health bar go down" but i don't know how I hit the damage cap or how i'm even supposed to be able to tell when i hit the damage cap so i know when to let go and stop attacking
Icedfate Mar 19, 2020 @ 4:56pm 
Originally posted by Autobot:
What in the world is this guy doing? He said he's at level 14!!! If that's true he's in way over his head.
oops, that was a typo, I meant i was level 104. i just went back and fixed it.
I'm actually 115 now...
although, that would be hilarious if I managed to get through the entire game and still only be level 14, not even sure how that's possible

but I bet someone has done it...

I see a mod in the Nexus website where a person thinks the game is so easy, they felt the need to make a mod that caps your health at 800 and your stat growth at only 1 point per level and I don't know how that person can even play in BBI when things in there can hit for over 2000 damage with while wearing post game dragonforged armors but I digressed
Last edited by Icedfate; Mar 19, 2020 @ 5:00pm
zadymek Mar 19, 2020 @ 9:01pm 
Originally posted by Icedfate:
I was not using rarified weapons.
I had not even gone to BBI yet when i first attempted that online Ur Dragon.
I had the Dragon's Pain Daggers which is found in post game everfall, dragonforged from killing a regular plain old drake, with clout and vehemence augments.
K... pumpkin ;)
I guess you've met this rare glitch then, the glitch that makes Ur invulnerable.
Usually revisiting fixes it, but I'd go offline first and see if I could damage offline Ur reliably. And then would turn online.


Originally posted by Icedfate:
oops, that was a typo, I meant i was level 104. i just went back and fixed it.
I'm actually 115 now...
Ha, that makes more sense now.
Icedfate Mar 20, 2020 @ 9:58pm 
Originally posted by zadymek:
Originally posted by Icedfate:
I was not using rarified weapons.
I had not even gone to BBI yet when i first attempted that online Ur Dragon.
I had the Dragon's Pain Daggers which is found in post game everfall, dragonforged from killing a regular plain old drake, with clout and vehemence augments.
K... pumpkin ;)
I guess you've met this rare glitch then, the glitch that makes Ur invulnerable.
Usually revisiting fixes it, but I'd go offline first and see if I could damage offline Ur reliably. And then would turn online.


Originally posted by Icedfate:
oops, that was a typo, I meant i was level 104. i just went back and fixed it.
I'm actually 115 now...
Ha, that makes more sense now.

I killed Ur multiple times offline...still can't do it in 1 go. because of those stupid wingtips, i waste the whole encounter trying to shoot them.

but my original point of my original question seems to have gotten lost...as the question has still not been answered to my satisfaction.


the question was "when does the loot appear?"

I fought 2 rounds with the dragon and never saw any loot.
is it because I failed to break any hearts?
or did I have to wait until grace was called and then someone kills it and then the loot appears?

the wiki seems to be unclear about this. it says "the next time you enter the chamber, a cutscene plays , showing you the loot"

I have seen this cutscene play after killing the offline dragon.

someone above suggested, that I either didn't do enough damage, or i did too much damage and disqualified myself and then i went into a rant, wondering how am I even supposed to know where this "sweet spot" is, if the health bar doesn't even move.

and then how is it that someone can shoot a heart with a makers arrow, destroying it, which does millions of damage, while I was just hitting the heart with melee and didn't even break it and yet, somehow went over the cap?

a side convo which still confuses me is how grace works exactly. does the dragon go into grace and then the moment 1 person kills it, that's it, like a lottery? like whomever struck the last blow gets the credit?
or does it go into grace for a time period and then everyone who goes in there and finishes it off during this time will ALL get credit?

so, scenario.
dragon goes into grace
10 people go in at once and start fighting it. they all kill it.
player 3 manages to finish it just a little faster than the other 9 players.
they all killed it, but player 3 killed it first.

does only player 3 get the credit, or do they all get the credit?
Last edited by Icedfate; Mar 20, 2020 @ 10:03pm
Icedfate Mar 20, 2020 @ 10:08pm 
actually, I probably found the answer myself. I just went in just now...and the cutscene played, awarding me the loot for gen 1013.
I guess i DID have to wait until after grace was done
zadymek Mar 21, 2020 @ 4:51am 
Originally posted by Icedfate:
actually, I probably found the answer myself. I just went in just now...and the cutscene played, awarding me the loot for gen 1013.
I guess i DID have to wait until after grace was done
Man, that took like looong ;)
Should you come up with other hard question, better check wiki.
Icedfate Mar 21, 2020 @ 3:50pm 
Originally posted by zadymek:
Originally posted by Icedfate:
actually, I probably found the answer myself. I just went in just now...and the cutscene played, awarding me the loot for gen 1013.
I guess i DID have to wait until after grace was done
Man, that took like looong ;)
Should you come up with other hard question, better check wiki.
yeah, perhaps it would have took less long people didnt just respond by copy pasting the confusing information from the wiki
Guh~hey~hey~♫ Mar 21, 2020 @ 3:56pm 
Of course.

Next time you'll ask something, you'll get links to the wiki (at best). :steamfacepalm:
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