The Ending (Spoilers)

[Red Blade]

I just finished the game, and... man if the endgame stunned me. I tought it would have all ended in the most fantasy way, the evil dragon gets defeted, land is saved and they all lived happily even after, but oh man how much i was wrong. I finished the game with what i think was the best ending (the one when you become the new Seneschal, only to kill youself to apparently end the circle) then i just watched all the remaining endings on youtube because i don't really want to redo the game again just for that... literally every single one let me with a strange feeling in my heart... and a big headache for how much stuff i learned from all of them...
Like... for all that time Grigori was an Arisen defeated by the Seneschal ? That's one of the many things that really stunned me >.<

[Grr. [SG CMD] Majah Lazah]

The more likely outcome is that Grigori made the choice on behalf of someone, given how ambivalent he is about the whole process.

[Red Blade]

Publicado originalmente por Grr. SG CMD Majah Lazah:

The more likely outcome is that Grigori made the choice on behalf of someone, given how ambivalent he is about the whole process.

That might actually be a pretty good explanation...

[zadymek]

And supposedly all other dragonkin are former Arisen as well...I mean, the heart, power over Pawns...

[Chrysalis]

Publicado originalmente por Grr. SG CMD Majah Lazah:

The more likely outcome is that Grigori made the choice on behalf of someone, given how ambivalent he is about the whole process.

I like your theory, it is plausible and would fit the story, although I'm not sure if it is really the whole story.

I always thought, if you become the dragon you'll lose all your memories, your personality and probably even your name.
No matter who you were before, you are now the Dragon/Grigori and you have to fulfil the task that was given to you.

The reason why I think that every Arisen becomes "Grigori", is because Savan, the Arisen you play in the tutorial, must've already defeated the Dragon, before our Story takes place.
But his Dragon looks and sounds exactly like the Grigori of our story, which would indicate that it is the same Dragon.

This is problematic, because Duke Edmund and our Arisen faced the seemingly same Dragon after Savan already defeated the beast.

If he already killed Grigori, then we shouldn't be able to encounter the same Dragon again, except, if all Arisens that fail the Seneschal will reincarnate as that particular Dragon.

The Dragon that our Arisen becomes if we fail, looks also exactly like Grigori, which would lend credibility to my theory.


But there's also the thing about Ashe and Grette, which kind of refutes my theory.

This all happened before Dragons Dogma.

(Dark Arisen Spoilers):

Grette was an Arisen that defeated the Dragon, but failed against the Seneschal, which in turn made her the new Dragon. Ashe became an Arisen too and now he had to defeat the Dragon that in reality was Grette. Grette was like a mother to Ashe, and he somehow knew that the Dragon was her. She also recognized him, but she couldn't resist her calling as the Dragon and so she had to force him to make the decision that all Arisens have to make. Kill the Dragon, sacrifice your love or flee, but Ashe choose a different path which kicked of the events of Dark Arisen.

What I'm getting at is, if these events are true, then there must be some difference to all the various great Dragons.

I hope they clear these things up in a potential sequel, because at the moment it kind of contradicts itself and/or is left up to interpretation of the player.

Still a great game with interesting lore!

[Red Blade]

Publicado originalmente por zadymek:

And supposedly all other dragonkin are former Arisen as well...I mean, the heart, power over Pawns...

That can be true too

[Red Blade]

Publicado originalmente por Chrysalis:

Publicado originalmente por Grr. SG CMD Majah Lazah:

The more likely outcome is that Grigori made the choice on behalf of someone, given how ambivalent he is about the whole process.

I like your theory, it is plausible and would fit the story, although I'm not sure if it is really the whole story.

I always thought, if you become the dragon you'll lose all your memories, your personality and probably even your name.
No matter who you were before, you are now the Dragon/Grigori and you have to fulfil the task that was given to you.

The reason why I think that every Arisen becomes "Grigori", is because Savan, the Arisen you play in the tutorial, must've already defeated the Dragon, before our Story takes place.
But his Dragon looks and sounds exactly like the Grigori of our story, which would indicate that it is the same Dragon.

This is problematic, because Duke Edmund and our Arisen faced the seemingly same Dragon after Savan already defeated the beast.

If he already killed Grigori, then we shouldn't be able to encounter the same Dragon again, except, if all Arisens that fail the Seneschal will reincarnate as that particular Dragon.

The Dragon that our Arisen becomes if we fail, looks also exactly like Grigori, which would lend credibility to my theory.


But there's also the thing about Ashe and Grette, which kind of refutes my theory.

This all happened before Dragons Dogma.

(Dark Arisen Spoilers):

Grette was an Arisen that defeated the Dragon, but failed against the Seneschal, which in turn made her the new Dragon. Ashe became an Arisen too and now he had to defeat the Dragon that in reality was Grette. Grette was like a mother to Ashe, and he somehow knew that the Dragon was her. She also recognized him, but she couldn't resist her calling as the Dragon and so she had to force him to make the decision that all Arisens have to make. Kill the Dragon, sacrifice your love or flee, but Ashe choose a different path which kicked of the events of Dark Arisen.

What I'm getting at is, if these events are true, then there must be some difference to all the various great Dragons.

I hope they clear these things up in a potential sequel, because at the moment it kind of contradicts itself and/or is left up to interpretation of the player.

Still a great game with interesting lore! :dragonemblem:

I really like your theory too, if they are really working on a sequel, i would indeed love to know more about Grigori... it would be good even a secondary quest about it, something that explains well his origins and similar stuff.

Man, the lore of this game surely is deep and interesting, it will be hard to forget it... Just like it will be hard to let the game go after finishing it :(

[Fredericks of Cursewood]

There is a sub-forum for spoilers.

[Red Blade]

Publicado originalmente por Fredericks of Cursewood:

There is a sub-forum for spoilers.

Uh... sorry, i noticed that now ^^"
I will remember about it next time.

[CasualGamer]

Well. off the topic ...there is one phenomena I don't understand.. bestowel of spirit.
A time passes , pawn starts looking like arisen. When arisen is dead, pawn takes their place.. Like when dragonforged died, fool became dragonforged. When the playing character dies , the pawn becomes arisen. But when grette died, Olra didn't become Grette. She even didn't look like Grette. And then there is selene . She became human while sophia still lived.
And if sofia is an arisen , why didn't she die with the dragon. You get her escort quest post game.
Judging by her looks , she must have been an old woman . How did she get her heart back and still lived?Did she fell the dragon and didn't travel the everfall.That must be some other dragon than grigory. Then why was the world not in terrible shape already?

[zadymek]

Publicado originalmente por CasualGamer:

How did she get her heart back and still lived?Did she fell the dragon and didn't travel the everfall.That must be some other dragon than grigory.

That applies other Arisens as well. Olra (Arisen), Barroch - kinda Dragonforged too if one refuses to acknowledge that guy definitely made the deal ;)

[CasualGamer]

Publicado originalmente por zadymek:

Publicado originalmente por CasualGamer:

How did she get her heart back and still lived?Did she fell the dragon and didn't travel the everfall.That must be some other dragon than grigory.

That applies other Arisens as well. Olra (Arisen), Barroch - kinda Dragonforged too if one refuses to acknowledge that guy definitely made the deal ;)

Hahaha Barroch looks like he never had the chance to get a deal. Always acted as a businessman, he never got a loved one, and what happened to his pawn..?

[EternalEllipsis]

Supposedly when the dragon eats too many hearts without an arisen killing it, it becomes an Ur-Dragon. Which I suppose would give any arisen connected to it a functionally unlimited lease on life, ala Barroch.

[Grr. [SG CMD] Majah Lazah]

Given that you get (six) endings displayed at various points in the game, Arisen and Pawn isn't a binary thing, and there's no reason to support their fates and outcomes would be either, the map of the return was like an endless funnel of endless funnel cakes.

There's probably a gransys where THE MAN comes every cycle to terrorize the draconic inhabitants of Gran Soren's non-existant walls by using maelstrom to drop everyone from the sky and dryhump them to death with godsbanes, never mind where dragon forged says there are many Arisens some of which simply don't take the call to make or break the cycle.

[Chrysalis]

Publicado originalmente por EternalEllipsis:

Supposedly when the dragon eats too many hearts without an arisen killing it, it becomes an Ur-Dragon. Which I suppose would give any arisen connected to it a functionally unlimited lease on life, ala Barroch.

That's an interesting theory!

I always imagined the Ur-Dragon to be some kind of original template for the other Great Dragons, but your idea is very plausible as well.


Concerning my "original template" theory, I think that the Ur-Dragon was the very first Great Dragon and all the other Great Dragons were created in his image.
But because they were "just clones" they were not as powerful as their ancestor.
(Which could've been intentional, as to not overpower every single Arisen that faces the Dragon)

Maybe when the whole Dragon-Arisen-Seneschal-Circle began, this particular Ur-Dragon inspired the God(s) to create other Great Dragons to serve as a test and motivation for the Arisen.

The Great Dragons would ensure that the circle continues, by choosing worthy Arisens and testing them in a final fight.

That would make sense because only the most powerful humans could not only survive an encountered with such a beast, but even defeat it.

Someone so mighty would be a fitting choice for the post of the Seneschal.

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My other theory is kind of similar to yours.

Maybe the Ur-Dragon is a failed Great Dragon that forsook his intended purpose and then was punished by the Seneschal.

It was imprisoned for eternity in the Everfall, not able to escape and doomed to slowly rot until various Arisens were able to defeat him.

But the defeat wouldn't free him from his torment, he would just be reborn at a later point in time to be tortured all over again.

[CasualGamer]

Publicado originalmente por Chrysalis:

Concerning my "original template" theory, I think that the Ur-Dragon was the very first Great Dragon and all the other Great Dragons were created in his image.
But because they were "just clones" they were not as powerful as their ancestor.
(Which could've been intentional, as to not overpower every single Arisen that faces the Dragon)

Maybe when the whole Dragon-Arisen-Seneschal-Circle began, this particular Ur-Dragon inspired the God(s) to create other Great Dragons to serve as a test and motivation for the Arisen.

The Great Dragons would ensure that the circle continues, by choosing worthy Arisens and testing them in a final fight.

That would make sense because only the most powerful humans could not only survive an encountered with such a beast, but even defeat it.
Someone so mighty would be a fitting choice for the post of the Seneschal.

Something akin to reaper of mass effect series? might be possible... Dogma even have a quest called Harbinger of Destruction. And the first reaper was called harbinger in me series.
it is possible that dogma writers might have taken "inspiration" from me series.