Is late-game viable if I failed golden idol quest?

[mordechaj]

I may or I may have not hit Fournival's daughter with a sharp object, and I can't load previous save to get this quest done. I wonder if it will be significantly harder to finish the game without access to high-end gear unlocked by the golden idol?

[Vinnolo]

high end gear is Bitterblack gear, so you are going to be fine, however you cant get the Hero achievment, unless you got it already

[76561198834006047]

Originally posted by Kill4rz:

high end gear is Bitterblack gear, so you are going to be fine, however you cant get the Hero achievment, unless you got it already

He can get it new game plus, all quests can be redone with all your inventory carried on and level etc.

[̷D̷a̷e̷r̷o̷n̷i̷c̷u̷s]

Originally posted by mordechaj:

I may or I may have not hit Fournival's daughter with a sharp object, and I can't load previous save to get this quest done. I wonder if it will be significantly harder to finish the game without access to high-end gear unlocked by the golden idol?

Don't worry about it, i didn't get that quest done in my first playtrough and you can play perfectly fine without it. The most powerful gear is on BBI so you will be fine.

You can do the quest again in NG+.

[mordechaj]

Thank you for your answers, progression in this game is so unpredictable I thought it will be a good idea to ask experienced players.

[zadymek]

Originally posted by mordechaj:

I may or I may have not hit Fournival's daughter with a sharp object, and I can't load previous save to get this quest done. I wonder if it will be significantly harder to finish the game without access to high-end gear unlocked by the golden idol?

1. What do you mean by "without"? Just cause you can't buy stuff doesn't mean you don't have access. You can always find it or earn it, right? And above all else either way you can't upgrade both shops to the max anyway.
2. If you've lost access to Golden Idol simply give Silver or bronze, that's always something.
3. Kill The Dragon and you'll get better weapon/s than those from the shops.
4. Dragon forging stuff is more important than few so called endgame items. Soulflyer Canyon has good supply of great equipment. Dragon forge those and voila.
5. In the end Bitterrblack items are far superior to anything you can buy at Gran Soren shops.

[mordechaj]

1. I have a hard time looting anything good, 99% are crafting materials. I didn't know I couldn't upgrade both shops. I just asked because some people told me that it's super-important not to fail Fournival's daughter escort quests.
2. I already gave bronze idol to Caxton and got a bit better gear
3. Killing the dragon isn't possible for me, can't even put down the wyrm in Devilfire Grove, I run out of healing items before taking more than 20% of his overall health
4. I read about dragon forging, but that's also far away for my character. I just wanted some gear improvement, because I was fooling around with various vocations and probably messed up my character progression. I've never been to the Soulflayer Canyon, maybe I'll wait for a quest that will send me there.
5. I went to BBI just to check it out, seems a bit like Dark Souls in there, didn't delve too deep, too much to do in Gransys.

Anyway, thanks for your response, I'll make good use of this advice.

[eyeC]

Not only will the game not be significantly harder, it won't even be noticeably harder. Who buys gear anyway?

EDIT: I do like how you "may or may not have" hit the kid with a "sharp object". Admit it, you stabbed her in the eye with your dagger!

[mordechaj]

Originally posted by Boomer:

Not only will the game not be significantly harder, it won't even be noticeably harder. Who buys gear anyway?

EDIT: I do like how you "may or may not have" hit the kid with a "sharp object". Admit it, you stabbed her in the eye with your dagger!

I hate having too much gold and nothing to spend it on. It feels like GTAIII; you have loads of money and can only spend it on guns.

I admit, an incident happened, exactly as you describe. But it was so quick I couldn't even tell if I done it intentionally or accidentally.

[Karathrax]

The Gold Idol weapons were important in vanilla Dragon's Dogma-- because they were more powerful than anything you could obtain other than the Ur Dragon weapons. With the Dark Arisen revisions (which is the version you're playing now), they are totally outclassed by Ur Dragon weapons, the weapons you obtain from a Certain Plot Point and of course almost any equipment you find in Bitterblack Isle.

Everything that Madeleine and Caxton stocks via a Gold Idol update can be obtained through patient (XD) chest farming in the post-game's Everfall. They are good for Fashion Dogma-- tactically, not so much.

tl/dr: don't sweat it, it's no loss. If you want the Hero achievement, all you need to do is hand ANY idol to Madeleine or Caxton to complete their respective quests, which marks them as completed towards that achievement.

[Phoenix VII]

The weapons you get from giving the gold idol to Caxton are weaker than what you get from defeating the Dragon, post-game merchants, post-game Everfall, and BBI. If you feel that your current equipment isn't enough then there's good weapons you can get at Soulflayer Canyon, the Proving Grounds (in the Frontier Caverns), and the Blighted Manse (if you're looking for Rooted Gloom) that matches anything you can get from giving Caxton the gold idol for most vocations. You can also find good armor at Soulflayer Canyon that matches what Caxton can give you at Stage 6 (the gold idol only gives access to more weapons not armor).

If you can't beat Grigori right now then I'd recommend just grinding some more levels (though I don't know what level you're at so I can't say if that's your problem or not). I traveled the map several times while hitting Soulflayer Canyon, Bluemoon Tower, Frontier Caverns, the Catacombs, and the Blighted Manse for both EXP and gold before fighting the Dragon (I was playing Warrior and having a hard time adapting to it). If you really think you need some good weapons and armor from the places I mentioned then you could use the wiki to find out which chest has what, save and open the chest, and reload until the chest has what you need.

If you say what classes you and your pawn are, I can tell you where to get the best pre-Dragon weapons and armor for yourself, there's not much that Caxton with the gold idol sells that you can't find somewhere else.

[zadymek]

Originally posted by mordechaj:

1. I have a hard time looting anything good, 99% are crafting materials. I didn't know I couldn't upgrade both shops. I just asked because some people told me that it's super-important not to fail Fournival's daughter escort quests.
2. I already gave bronze idol to Caxton and got a bit better gear
3. Killing the dragon isn't possible for me, can't even put down the wyrm in Devilfire Grove, I run out of healing items before taking more than 20% of his overall health
4. I read about dragon forging, but that's also far away for my character. I just wanted some gear improvement, because I was fooling around with various vocations and probably messed up my character progression. I've never been to the Soulflayer Canyon, maybe I'll wait for a quest that will send me there.
5. I went to BBI just to check it out, seems a bit like Dark Souls in there, didn't delve too deep, too much to do in Gransys.

Anyway, thanks for your response, I'll make good use of this advice.

1. Well, there are save/load xploits, just saying ;)
-anyway, remember to loot chests regularly and finally you'll get something useful.

- if you're a daggerist there is a guaranteed good dagger drop from the tip of a spear drawing at Hillfigure Knoll. Luckily some upgrade materials "wander around" the same hill, at night ;)

-also you can do some board quests (Caxton has one escort quest for a nice sword, if he likes you), or progress to second phase of this one https://dragonsdogma.wikia.com/wiki/Search_Party
it's quite easy.
2. K
3. Why of course, it's the main plot's conclusion fight. I thought you were further into the game.
4. Well, for DF-ing you need to slay any dragon, and currently Drake is your only option so yeah, out of the reach for now.
5. I can imagine that ;)

[76561198834006047]

You can also go to the bluemoon tower post game or before (but easier in post game) and also the cave near the bluemoon tower with all the locked cells, wich you unlock with a skeleton key, you can get some good weapons from there as well but remember to save your game before opening the chests, as everyone mentioned above it isnt really worth it to give the idol unless you want the Hero achievement but you can get it in ng plus, simply do all the quests you missed in your first playthrou you dont need to all side quests over only those you missed, and all those weapons from caxton you can get in bbi but i STRONGLY recommend to go in bbi after lvl 55 becouse then you will get more powerful weapons. Also go to the hillfigure knoll and go to the top off the spear and there is a gather spot, you will get a pair of daggers called Signs of valor, its a great pair of daggers and strong until you find some better in bbi if you play as a yellow class, for fighter go to the watergods altar and you will get a sword called Edens warden, but you can get stronger at soulflayer canyon as Pheonix mentioned above.

[mordechaj]

Originally posted by Phoenix VII:

The weapons you get from giving the gold idol to Caxton are weaker than what you get from defeating the Dragon, post-game merchants, post-game Everfall, and BBI. If you feel that your current equipment isn't enough then there's good weapons you can get at Soulflayer Canyon, the Proving Grounds (in the Frontier Caverns), and the Blighted Manse (if you're looking for Rooted Gloom) that matches anything you can get from giving Caxton the gold idol for most vocations. You can also find good armor at Soulflayer Canyon that matches what Caxton can give you at Stage 6 (the gold idol only gives access to more weapons not armor).

If you can't beat Grigori right now then I'd recommend just grinding some more levels (though I don't know what level you're at so I can't say if that's your problem or not). I traveled the map several times while hitting Soulflayer Canyon, Bluemoon Tower, Frontier Caverns, the Catacombs, and the Blighted Manse for both EXP and gold before fighting the Dragon (I was playing Warrior and having a hard time adapting to it). If you really think you need some good weapons and armor from the places I mentioned then you could use the wiki to find out which chest has what, save and open the chest, and reload until the chest has what you need.

If you say what classes you and your pawn are, I can tell you where to get the best pre-Dragon weapons and armor for yourself, there's not much that Caxton with the gold idol sells that you can't find somewhere else.

I've just met Grigori, and he taunted me to come after him, but I feel that I'll be utterly destroyed if I go now.

I'm level 45, started as a strider, then got several levels as magick archer, few levels as asssassin and now I'm back to strider. I know that's probably not efficient way of levelling, but the game has been very forgiving until now. The only enemy I couldn't defeat was that Dragon in the forest.

The main problem is my damage is quite low; with Kunai daggers I found few minutes ago I have around 400 strength and 400 magick. The bow is even lower, 350 strength. Without blast arrows it seems useless.

My main pawn has 45 levels as a mage and is very helpful; knows when to enchant weapons, when to heal and when to unleash a powerful spell - sometimes it is able to take down Chimera in two shots.

I don't have access to periapts as Fournival probably rots away in a dungeon. I've never been to Soulflayer Canyon or Blighted Manse, so I'll give it a go.

I don't want to delve too deep into metagaming, I just would be glad if someone told me how an average Arisen should perform in the end-game. I know that a skillful player could probably defeat the dragon bare-fisted and naked, but I'm just looking for advice for a casual player.

Edit: Thanks for pointing me to Hillfigure Knoll, already going there to talk to that weird guy sitting in a cave. No harm in picking up these daggers.

[76561198834006047]

Originally posted by mordechaj:

Originally posted by Phoenix VII:

The weapons you get from giving the gold idol to Caxton are weaker than what you get from defeating the Dragon, post-game merchants, post-game Everfall, and BBI. If you feel that your current equipment isn't enough then there's good weapons you can get at Soulflayer Canyon, the Proving Grounds (in the Frontier Caverns), and the Blighted Manse (if you're looking for Rooted Gloom) that matches anything you can get from giving Caxton the gold idol for most vocations. You can also find good armor at Soulflayer Canyon that matches what Caxton can give you at Stage 6 (the gold idol only gives access to more weapons not armor).

If you can't beat Grigori right now then I'd recommend just grinding some more levels (though I don't know what level you're at so I can't say if that's your problem or not). I traveled the map several times while hitting Soulflayer Canyon, Bluemoon Tower, Frontier Caverns, the Catacombs, and the Blighted Manse for both EXP and gold before fighting the Dragon (I was playing Warrior and having a hard time adapting to it). If you really think you need some good weapons and armor from the places I mentioned then you could use the wiki to find out which chest has what, save and open the chest, and reload until the chest has what you need.

If you say what classes you and your pawn are, I can tell you where to get the best pre-Dragon weapons and armor for yourself, there's not much that Caxton with the gold idol sells that you can't find somewhere else.

I've just met Grigori, and he taunted me to come after him, but I feel that I'll be utterly destroyed if I go now.

I'm level 45, started as a strider, then got several levels as magick archer, few levels as asssassin and now I'm back to strider. I know that's probably not efficient way of levelling, but the game has been very forgiving until now. The only enemy I couldn't defeat was that Dragon in the forest.

The main problem is my damage is quite low; with Kunai daggers I found few minutes ago I have around 400 strength and 400 magick. The bow is even lower, 350 strength. Without blast arrows it seems useless.

My main pawn has 45 levels as a mage and is very helpful; knows when to enchant weapons, when to heal and when to unleash a powerful spell - sometimes it is able to take down Chimera in two shots.

I don't have access to periapts as Fournival probably rots away in a dungeon. I've never been to Soulflayer Canyon or Blighted Manse, so I'll give it a go.

I don't want to delve too deep into metagaming, I just would be glad if someone told me how an average Arisen should perform in the end-game. I know that a skillful player could probably defeat the dragon bare-fisted and naked, but I'm just looking for advice for a casual player.

Here is another tip, go to bbi and enter the middle way and just run throu all the enemies and run till you get to barrocs "house" and on the 2nd floor on the desk you will see a skeleton "hugging" a green ball, that green ball is a key to all the doors in the 2nd room in bbi with all the doors, in that field go to the house on the right, inside you will see 2 doors and open the door on the left and you will get the 2nd strongest bow in the game but remember to carry alot off healing potions and potent greewarish. If you need further instructions i will help you.

[zadymek]

Originally posted by mordechaj:

I'm level 45, started as a strider, then got several levels as magick archer, few levels as asssassin and now I'm back to strider. I know that's probably not efficient way of levelling, but the game has been very forgiving until now. The only enemy I couldn't defeat was that Dragon in the forest.
(...)

1. It's not the level that count, it's your Rank and your set of Skills/ Augments. Become a Rank 9 Strider. But try not to use your daggers outside them being enchanted, Dark isn't very useful (apart from Grigori, he's vulnerable).
Also, Cpt Obvious' advice
Upgrade enything you can.
You know Strider can steal valubale stuff, including upgrade materials, from restrained enemies, right?
2. Now, idk if you know but you have this skill that's basically a carpet bombing with blast arrows, (without the need of blast arrows). The skill is pretty hard to aim but ...carpet bombing!
3. See? The proper element on proper enemy and two shots. Take example from your Pawn, I guess.
4. "A meta game advice"
If you can't handle it, hire better Pawns
;)