So if i wanted to build a pure Ranger

[SteelaiRizel]

What should be my leveling process? Should i rush to Gran Soren, switch to Assassin and just grind that to 100? Maybe do warrior for a while for defense?

Personally i LOVE the bow skills for ranger but never went about building one on my ps3 despite having 3 accounts JUST so i could have 3 characters. I had Warrior that i min maxed, a Magick Archer(absolute pain to raise given what you have to do to make it worth a dam), and a sword and board assassin.

This time i want to be a ranged juggernaught and make good use of the bow skills on offer.

Im not a big fan of min maxing but.....ranger's stat raise is overall ug so i know it's not a good idea to raise one til much later after the stat groundwork has been done.

I know my augments so not worried on that really, just stats. Doesn't have to be perfect, just solid.

[noir_7]

BBI equipment will make up any deficienies in your stats. If you enjoy playing a ranger then go ahead. Don't sweat the min/max too much.

[76561198067951966]

You can always just go Assassin all the way to 200. You'll have a minimum base strength of 918 depending on your starter vocation and plenty of stamina. The difference in damage resistance (physical and magic) is negligible.

[SteelaiRizel]

Originally posted by noir_7:

BBI equipment will make up any deficienies in your stats. If you enjoy playing a ranger then go ahead. Don't sweat the min/max too much.

Aye just the thing is, the ranger stat spread is so bad that like Magick Archer if you play it early, your leveling will be painful and weak. I learned that the hard way.

But i got ya. Ill just go with the original plan then.

Probably Assassin til 100, that is more than enough to enjoy all the game content reasonbly i would think without worry of gear.

[Aria]

I don't think min/maxing is worth your time and effort for the stats alone, after all you have BBI gear to make up for your lack of stats. However, what it's more difficult to get is health. I'd recommend you to play fighter every now and then, just enough for your Health to be 3.000 or above by the time you're level 100. From what I can see, you have in mind to play Assassin 'til 100 and then swap over to Ranger, so I don't think lack of Stamina is going to be an issue.

[de.lorca]

Originally posted by Steelgrey666:

Originally posted by noir_7:

BBI equipment will make up any deficienies in your stats. If you enjoy playing a ranger then go ahead. Don't sweat the min/max too much.

Aye just the thing is, the ranger stat spread is so bad that like Magick Archer if you play it early, your leveling will be painful and weak. I learned that the hard way.

But i got ya. Ill just go with the original plan then.

Probably Assassin til 100, that is more than enough to enjoy all the game content reasonbly i would think without worry of gear.

if you want to optimize phy damage start as warrior and switch to assassin as soon as you can but if you play on normal you shud be fine if you stick to archer even for the entire game if there are ennemies you can't damage like some of the bandit's on the way to the witches forest or ogres it's because you are not suposed to fight them yet or are doing it wrong

and by the way if you want to switch classes early go talk to the DLC lady that apears in casardis at night after you get your own pawn
you get her mutch earlier than the in keeper of grand soran and she offers the same services

[Kaladin Canuck]

The are mods on the nexus forums that replace the Rangers stat growth with the Assassin. If you want the assassin stats and the ranger playstyle you could use the mod.

[JtDarth]

Originally posted by Steelgrey666:

Originally posted by noir_7:

BBI equipment will make up any deficienies in your stats. If you enjoy playing a ranger then go ahead. Don't sweat the min/max too much.

Aye just the thing is, the ranger stat spread is so bad that like Magick Archer if you play it early, your leveling will be painful and weak. I learned that the hard way.

But i got ya. Ill just go with the original plan then.

Probably Assassin til 100, that is more than enough to enjoy all the game content reasonbly i would think without worry of gear.

The Ranger's stat spread is in no way bad. The Assassin just has broken stat growths because of how poorly defense scales.

A 1-10 fighter, 10-200 Ranger will still demolish the game.

This 'optimal build' crap needs to go the way of the dodo. It's completely unnecessary and tends to make the game unfun while levelling your character. The only time you would remotely have a case for 'needing' and optimal build was on the PS3/360 where online UR had far, far more health.
If you level any class from lvl 10-200 as that class, it will be capable of handling the entire game without too much worry, even in BBI. The only class that really has issues there is Mystic knight, thanks to how it's bread and butter skills tend to rely on a mixture of phys and mag. This means that lower stats in one or the other will be far more noticeable. None of the other classes have this issue. Even that is easily countered via better gear, periapts, or augments.

[SteelaiRizel]

Originally posted by DarthNachoz:

Originally posted by Steelgrey666:

Aye just the thing is, the ranger stat spread is so bad that like Magick Archer if you play it early, your leveling will be painful and weak. I learned that the hard way.

But i got ya. Ill just go with the original plan then.

Probably Assassin til 100, that is more than enough to enjoy all the game content reasonbly i would think without worry of gear.

The Ranger's stat spread is in no way bad. The Assassin just has broken stat growths because of how poorly defense scales.

A 1-10 fighter, 10-200 Ranger will still demolish the game.

This 'optimal build' crap needs to go the way of the dodo. It's completely unnecessary and tends to make the game unfun while levelling your character. The only time you would remotely have a case for 'needing' and optimal build was on the PS3/360 where online UR had far, far more health.
If you level any class from lvl 10-200 as that class, it will be capable of handling the entire game without too much worry, even in BBI. The only class that really has issues there is Mystic knight, thanks to how it's bread and butter skills tend to rely on a mixture of phys and mag. This means that lower stats in one or the other will be far more noticeable. None of the other classes have this issue. Even that is easily countered via better gear, periapts, or augments.

I did mention that i had 3 accounts on ps3 playing this.

The Ranger's stat spread is bad enough where you can feel quite lacking leveling up in the pre 100 area, and the Magick Archer's abilities absolutely RELY on decent magick to be worth a dam. I have tried leveling as magick archer first before so i know what im talking about, compared to going say sorc for a very long time and coming back , its practically torture.

Ranger yeah you could do it but your stats will be far worse than if you went Assassin at least to 100.

It has nothing to do with being "optimal" and more to do with not feeling weak.

And fyi i don't give a dam about the UR Dragon. I don't even bother with him for the most part. Other than before all i would do is go offline, kill him, get dragonforged for my gear then not worry about him. To me thats all he was there for.

I want my bow skills to "feel" good, and after my abyssmal time as a Magick Archer before i restarted and went sorc THEN magick archer, im not dealing with that again.

[de.lorca]

Originally posted by Steelgrey666:

It has nothing to do with being "optimal" and more to do with not feeling weak.

I dont understand what you are talking about i have donne the entire game from scratch multiple times including as an archer and the only time i fealt weak was wen i did it on hard mode which i overcame by stacking DOT status effects but that is another story

[Karathrax]

The reason MA and Ranger feel 'weak' at first is due to the fact that all of the magick bows and longbows up to the ones handed out at a particular plot point are flat out terrible.

Top-tier gear and player skill makes any build negligible. Given a Dragonforged Dragon's Blink and a base strength stat of 300, and it's possible to easily destroy anything in the game.

[de.lorca]

Originally posted by Karathrax:

The reason MA and Ranger feel 'weak' at first is due to the fact that all of the magick bows and longbows up to the ones handed out at a particular plot point are flat out terrible.

Top-tier gear and player skill makes any build negligible. Given a Dragonforged Dragon's Blink and a base strength stat of 300, and it's possible to easily destroy anything in the game.

but they are still not that bad you still get nice damage as long as you aim at weakspot for normal bows or use the right element for magic bow

[SteelaiRizel]

Originally posted by seigneur.de.lorca:

Originally posted by Karathrax:

The reason MA and Ranger feel 'weak' at first is due to the fact that all of the magick bows and longbows up to the ones handed out at a particular plot point are flat out terrible.

Top-tier gear and player skill makes any build negligible. Given a Dragonforged Dragon's Blink and a base strength stat of 300, and it's possible to easily destroy anything in the game.

but they are still not that bad you still get nice damage as long as you aim at weakspot for normal bows or use the right element for magic bow

The thing is, the early magick bows are as mentioned pretty dam awful, so even aiming at weak points your damage is pretty poor early.

At the same point in the game, the sorc can do far more damage in general and feel satisfying.

For this reason when i did my playthrough on ps3 again with a sorc then switched to magick archer for a bit say around 50, my experience felt much better, i switched back then switched to magick archer once more at 100. That made him far better than he would ever be just staying magick archer the whole bloody time.

And I honestly rather not rely on gear entirely for the stats, i much prefer my fashion dogma. So i will simply use what i think looks great, and doing so requires a solid foundation in stats that the base magick archer can not offer.

The same story with the Ranger is also true due to it's terrible stat spread.

[de.lorca]

Originally posted by Steelgrey666:

Originally posted by seigneur.de.lorca:

but they are still not that bad you still get nice damage as long as you aim at weakspot for normal bows or use the right element for magic bow

The thing is, the early magick bows are as mentioned pretty dam awful, so even aiming at weak points your damage is pretty poor early.

At the same point in the game, the sorc can do far more damage in general and feel satisfying.

For this reason when i did my playthrough on ps3 again with a sorc then switched to magick archer for a bit say around 50, my experience felt much better, i switched back then switched to magick archer once more at 100. That made him far better than he would ever be just staying magick archer the whole bloody time.

And I honestly rather not rely on gear entirely for the stats, i much prefer my fashion dogma. So i will simply use what i think looks great, and doing so requires a solid foundation in stats that the base magick archer can not offer.

The same story with the Ranger is also true due to it's terrible stat spread.

I guess fashion is a good argument but i still have no clue about which games you guys are talking about:P

[SteelaiRizel]

Originally posted by seigneur.de.lorca:

Originally posted by Steelgrey666:

The thing is, the early magick bows are as mentioned pretty dam awful, so even aiming at weak points your damage is pretty poor early.

At the same point in the game, the sorc can do far more damage in general and feel satisfying.

For this reason when i did my playthrough on ps3 again with a sorc then switched to magick archer for a bit say around 50, my experience felt much better, i switched back then switched to magick archer once more at 100. That made him far better than he would ever be just staying magick archer the whole bloody time.

And I honestly rather not rely on gear entirely for the stats, i much prefer my fashion dogma. So i will simply use what i think looks great, and doing so requires a solid foundation in stats that the base magick archer can not offer.

The same story with the Ranger is also true due to it's terrible stat spread.

I guess fashion is a good argument but i still have no clue about which games you guys are talking about:P

Psh basically i owned Dragon's Dogma Dark Arisen (and the original before it) on ps3, had 3 accounts just to play it with 3 characters, im just talking from experience with the game.

Though the tongue sticking out might mean you are just being silly but what do i know, after all we are masterworks all and we can't go wrong right?

[JtDarth]

Originally posted by Steelgrey666:

Originally posted by seigneur.de.lorca:

I guess fashion is a good argument but i still have no clue about which games you guys are talking about:P

Psh basically i owned Dragon's Dogma Dark Arisen (and the original before it) on ps3, had 3 accounts just to play it with 3 characters, im just talking from experience with the game.

Though the tongue sticking out might mean you are just being silly but what do i know, after all we are masterworks all and we can't go wrong right?

Fashion's dogma is fun, but only really doable once you 'git gud' at the game. A noob playing warrior isn't going to be able to get away with running around in their skivvies, but a more experienced player certainly can, lol.