What are some negative traits that you are okay with?

[Oceon]

Hi there, I was wondering what the community considers an "okay" trait, despite it being having a clear negative?

I for example usually do not mind these ones.
Bleeder
Ailing (Can be cured)
Fear of Beasts
Fear of Undead
Fear of Greenskins
(All can be cured)
Dwarf (I really do not mind the -15% Damage, free defense stats are always better to me)
Drunk (Some guys, especially nobles or squires that can start with 60~ish stats can tank the -5 in Meele, so I am okay with that if the background is the right one.)
Superstitious (Just gets expensive)
Paranoid (Actually one of my more favorite ones, get a good Armor and a heavy dude, and you are good to go!)
As well as a few others. What traits do you take despite them having negative outcomes, or do you even dodge and deny a few positive ones?

[turtle225]

The only negative trait that really puts me off of a bro is Insecure. While technically it makes him a good Crystal Skull candidate, it is so rare to actually get the Skull in a playthrough.

Dastard is also really annoying but technically you can play around it.

Asthma is one that seems like it would be extremely bad, but the game lets you recover 15 fatigue if you start the turn capped anyway even with Asthma, so all it really does it just force you into a fatigue neutral build, which is a meta build anyway.

[Oceon]

Originally posted by turtle225:

The only negative trait that really puts me off of a bro is Insecure. While technically it makes him a good Crystal Skull candidate, it is so rare to actually get the Skull in a playthrough.

Dastard is also really annoying but technically you can play around it.

Asthma is one that seems like it would be extremely bad, but the game lets you recover 15 fatigue if you start the turn capped anyway even with Asthma, so all it really does it just force you into a fatigue neutral build, which is a meta build anyway.

Thanks for replying!

I never hire bros no matter how good they are if they are insecure or dastards. I do that because no matter how good they are, they wont be able to always give 100% or even beyond, because you mainly skip on at least 10% of all stats.

Astmathic guys are okay, I do not mind it as much, as long as only one, or maximum 2 bros are affected.

[A5G_Reaper]

Minus stats traits could be acceptable if it's on stats that the bro doesn't care about (clumsy/brute on a tank, for example). But sometimes it's so severe that it could make a bro outright unsalvageable (hee hoo -10 craven).

Dastard and insecure are usually auto-fire for me. Clubfooted and craven are nasty, but on rare cases usable. Hate asthmatic, brute, cocky, clumsy, but it's not without a workaround.

Drunkard and tiny are situational, on the right build they're great. Huge and paranoid I'd consider positive trait, they're almost always good.

[Oceon]

Originally posted by A5G_Reaper:

Minus stats traits could be acceptable if it's on stats that the bro doesn't care about (clumsy/brute on a tank, for example). But sometimes it's so severe that it could make a bro outright unsalvageable (hee hoo -10 craven).

Dastard and insecure are usually auto-fire for me. Clubfooted and craven are nasty, but on rare cases usable. Hate asthmatic, brute, cocky, clumsy, but it's not without a workaround.

Drunkard and tiny are situational, on the right build they're great. Huge and paranoid I'd consider positive trait, they're almost always good.

Thanks for the reply! I fully agree on dastard and insecure, Clubfooted is okay for me, but I really dislike fainthearted or craven as well, wont take these brothers. Cocky is okay if its on a seargent that goes full damage, clumsy is meh (okay on tanks).

[UnluckyNoob]

Insecure is the only one. Roughly -10/-5 to attacks/defences is way too much. Every other negative trait may only disable certain builds.

Don't know why all of you are talking about dastard. It is positive trait. Starting morale only matters for archers, because all melee bros with decent resolve will be confident after you kill couple enemies. And being content in reserve makes reservists management easier.

Another hidden gem of 'negative' traits is greedy. Greedy bro may get very strong disloyal trait in event. And to get greedy trait for your bros you should keep as much gold as possible and wait for 'Player Is Rich' event.

[A5G_Reaper]

Originally posted by UnluckyNoob:

Don't know why all of you are talking about dastard. It is positive trait. Starting morale only matters for archers, because all melee bros with decent resolve will be confident after you kill couple enemies. And being content in reserve makes reservists management easier.

The stats penalty could well be double of insecure depending on company mood, all while being extra vulnerable to morale checks. Maybe it's fine most fight, but then eventually there'd be a geist scream or priest horrify or even just random mob walking up and getting lucky with the check that ♥♥♥♥♥ up the battle. I'd rather not keep such landmine of a bro.

[thebadman]

Insecure and dastard can pretty much always be serious drawbacks.

Clumsy and fainthearted too I guess because backgrounds that can have them can also roll in ranges where they are impactful enough to break a bro compared to their competition.

While brute and cocky are not even considered negative by the game, they deserve honorable ♥♥♥♥ you, doubly because on many bros they won't be enough for you to just fire a bro in early/midgame but they will be there for you to remember bro could have been so much more.

[unio]

I never took drunkard bros...now I'm a big fan of drunkard duelists who have high melee att (or 2+ stars). 10% more damage, yes please.

[McGrits]

A huge and drunk lone wolf is awesome.

[Scathe]

I'm ok with short sighted, fat, and night blind in addition to some of the traits already mentioned in this thread, not ok with dastard and insecure of course.

[turtle225]

I'll throw in maybe an unexpected one in Impatient. The only upside I see to this trait is that it can let you hit the retreat flag before any enemies act which is usually enough to make them not chase you. In other words, it helps enable safe retreats, but if you are not zooming around the overworld at 4x speed at night then the odds of this mattering are very low, and can be achieved with a high initiative bro anyway.

I just find the trait incredibly annoying because it makes it hard to predict where in the initiative order the impatient bro is actually in when planning for the second turn.

I don't hate it so much that I'll fire a promising bro because of it, but it does make me upset to see it. I also really dislike Deserter origin for the same reasons. I do not want an entire team of Impatient bros.

[A5G_Reaper]

Originally posted by turtle225:

I'll throw in maybe an unexpected one in Impatient. The only upside I see to this trait is that it can let you hit the retreat flag before any enemies act which is usually enough to make them not chase you. In other words, it helps enable safe retreats, but if you are not zooming around the overworld at 4x speed at night then the odds of this mattering are very low, and can be achieved with a high initiative bro anyway.

I just find the trait incredibly annoying because it makes it hard to predict where in the initiative order the impatient bro is actually in when planning for the second turn.

I don't hate it so much that I'll fire a promising bro because of it, but it does make me upset to see it. I also really dislike Deserter origin for the same reasons. I do not want an entire team of Impatient bros.

I often accidentally wait twice if the impatient bro is BF because he's bunched with the other heavies at the end of the queue

About deserters, wouldn't their turn order be the same since they're all acting first?

[gvandinteren]

Nobody has mentioned one of the very worst: Fragile. In the same category as Craven.

Cocky is terrible on all bros except ranged and banner

[A5G_Reaper]

Originally posted by gvandinteren:

Nobody has mentioned one of the very worst: Fragile. In the same category as Craven.

Cocky is terrible on all bros except ranged and banner

The thing is for most background base resolve generally rolls way lower than base HP so the impact of craven is a lot bigger than fragile. Going from 50 to 40HP sucks, but going from 30 to 20 resolve is catastrophic.

There's also more methods to work around low HP than low resolve, perks like colossus/gifted/ninelives/nimble and even just increasing defense versus just fortified mind and gifted.

All in all, craven is way worse than fragile.

[Melkolf]

Drunk is fine, and I'll drink to that. Now where did I put that hammer...