Difficulty vs Wartales

[Gui]

So I'm hitting level 5 in Wartales on Experienced difficulty and I'm thriving. I almost never suffer wounds but occasionally reload a few turns in fights.
How would that translate in BB? I keep reading the difficulty is super high and I don't know how saving works.

[Calandro]

I found that Wartales felt more like an RPG, whilst Battle Brothers feels more like a tactics game.

Wartales was generally easier, the scaling is much more strict as it's a 1:1, 1 enemy for each unit you have, whereas in Battle Brothers it's much more abstract, meaning you can much more easily encounter harder fights.

Battle Brothers also has the more punishing general mechanics I feel, it has a much harsher ZoC, upgrading gear can be quite difficult at some points if you don't know what you're doing, and you can death spiral more easily.

[Heron]

Let me put it that way: The most earned achievement in BB is for losing one of your mercs in combat.

You can save freely on non ironman.

[UnluckyNoob]

Wartales is very easy on max difficulty. BB is average on average difficulty and hard on max difficulty.

[Cometf]

Never played Wartales so can't do a comparison, but BB is a very open game that CAN be played in various ways to make it easier or harder. Base design is pretty hard and unforgiving though, especially early on.

Saving can be done anytime if not using ironman mode, besides the battles themselves. Autosave is made when entering battles though, allowing you to try again if you so wish.

A great game for someone who doesn't generally enjoy true ironman runs, but loves to implement a plethora of house rules to make it super difficult in other ways. And a great game for ironman as well if that's more your cup of tea.

[Gui]

Thanks guys!

[madpraxis]

Yea, what they said. Having played, and enjoyed, both... Just a few thousand more hours into BB then Wartales...so far...

Wartales... It was different pre-release. They changed things up, a fair bit. It *was* hard. And it took planning and skill. The release version...isn't so much. No where near BB levels, at least. Once you get whatever skill gimmick going in Wartales, you are set. No matter what. Maybe a minor variation on something for specific bosses, but once it's down? Set. Done. Just go steamroll everything as you plod through the lands...

BB? Sort of that way. It just takes a lot longer, and involves scraping by, getting lucky, praying for RNGesus to favour you, and a LOT more planning in advance if you want to roll the gimmick steamroller out. More randomness, more variety. Technically, BB's world is hella smaller then Wartales, but it *feels* a lot larger with how you travel and the things to do while doing so, plus the random contracts in towns and the world events. Unlike Wartales, it's *not* just going to be the same exact thing over and over.

If you are enjoying Wartales, you will probably enjoy BB. It *IS* a lot tougher. But that makes it a lot more rewarding. If you aren't doing Ironman, you can save/load whenever. Even if you are doing Ironman...well...you can crash the game to restart a fight if you do something particularly stupid during it ;)
I honestly haven't played off Ironman for so long in BB I can't remember how the saves actually work, hah.

[Gui]

Cool, indeed Wartales is huge but feels empty. One foot deep ocean.
I'll probably grab BB on the next big sale.

[gvandinteren]

Originally posted by Gui:

Cool, indeed Wartales is huge but feels empty. One foot deep ocean.
I'll probably grab BB on the next big sale.

You can play it on Steam as well as GOG, so maybe check out where it is cheapest. But I have to say: you are getting a bargain, whatever you pay. Expressed as money/hour played, it is nothing.

[Jean-Maurice Nya]

Wartales is easier. But it also focus on different things, mainly the world you live in, so fighting is just a part of this world. Battle brothers is about leading mercenaries to battle, fighting is the core of the game.

[Allotope]

Originally posted by Gui:

Cool, you are getting a bargain, whatever you pay. Expressed as money/hour played, it is nothing.

It's actually the opposite, I've lost so many hours of productivity to this game the cost is huge.
(wouldn't change a thing)

[Donuel the Daring]

Combat in Wartales is definitely more forgiving than in Battle Brothers, especially since all your characters essentially have the "Nine Lives" perk from BB; e.g. they always survive the first killing blow. In Battle Brothers, a similar mistake could easily get you seeing a brother's head fly from his body... and it's pretty obvious it can't be glued back on. Lol.

[Winger]

Originally posted by Gui:

So I'm hitting level 5 in Wartales on Experienced difficulty and I'm thriving. I almost never suffer wounds but occasionally reload a few turns in fights.
How would that translate in BB? I keep reading the difficulty is super high and I don't know how saving works.

I've never played a more challenging game than BB in the genre, being a turn based strategy fan since X-Com: Apocalypse. Your personal experience may vary but if you have a certain masochistic itch in your gaming taste like some of us do, this game is sure to scratch it aplenty.

[Skrain]

Wartales is "easier" in the sense that they don't throw too many things at you that you the player can't do. BB just doesn't care about balance by any means and so there's tons of high risk zero reward situations that players here mistakenly call "hard".

I'll be honest and people don't like it when this is pointed out. Tedium, is not difficulty. BB went way off into the weeds with tedium under the guise of difficulty. No ones going to accept a fight with 45 Ifrits that pays 1K, that's not a hard fight, its just tedious to realize that's never going to be worth it so you just roll back to before you accepted the quest.

[Fogey Gamer]

BB is not tedious to me. I dont get your take on this. I love a long ironman BB save!

[SpacePoon]

Wartales has exponentially inferior combat. It does have some interesting campaign mechanics, but also silly useless gimmick minigames which makes the game feel like a single player mmo.