Tank last slot advice: Colossus or Steel Brow?

[Lampros]

1 slot left on tanks, what's better - Colossus or Steel Brow? I am assuming I will have every tank already at over 100 HP without Colossus, because of a Davkul HP buff. They are all early in veterancy, so I can tack on another 10 HPs or so (since I play longer campaigns).

[thebadman]

Both... but since its not really option till gifted potion then brow on BF bro to avoid -50% mdef injuries?

[Lampros]

Originally posted by thebadman:

Both... but since its not really option till gifted potion then brow on BF bro to avoid -50% mdef injuries?

Got it. Unluckynoob gave the same advice in another thread as well. But you think Colossus is still useful even when you have over 100 HPs? What HP goals do you aim at in regard to tanks?

[thebadman]

Being good at holding shield is good enough for me, at end or after 1st crisis one can think about replacing them and higher secondary stat totals.

[Finaryman]

funny thought... what happens melee defence -10 when under -50% melee defence injury, does it become -5? (or -15 as it should)

[sparrowbird611]

I'd think colossus, since more HP always helps you, but headshot resistance is more niche.

[Krick]

As battleforged I would say Steelbrow without a doubt but if your using a oblivion potion later, or repick perks on someone else maybe consider nine lives over coleuses if its not already picked? Assuming the tank has a 100 hp's, that add another 25 but once nine lives activates it add 11 to 15 hp almost the same amount :)

Nine lives have gotten buffed, and its also considerably stronger on cultists then other orgion's since the tier 4 cultist fanatics makes your units ignore the current injuries in battle

[Lampros]

Originally posted by sparrowbird611:

I'd think colossus, since more HP always helps you, but headshot resistance is more niche.

Yes, but isn't there a point where too much of one stat has diminishing returns? I don't know where that break point is for HPs on tanks though.

Originally posted by Krick:

As battleforged I would say Steelbrow without a doubt but if your using a oblivion potion later, or repick perks on someone else maybe consider nine lives over coleuses if its not already picked? Assuming the tank has a 100 hp's, that add another 25 but once nine lives activates it add 11 to 15 hp almost the same amount :)

Nine lives have gotten buffed, and its also considerably stronger on cultists then other orgion's since the tier 4 cultist fanatics makes your units ignore the current injuries in battle

Good point; I hadn't considered Nine Lives because it was awful when the game released, and I never gave it a second glance again. Would you say Nine Lives is preferable to Steel Brow though?

[sparrowbird611]

Originally posted by Lampros:

Originally posted by sparrowbird611:

I'd think colossus, since more HP always helps you, but headshot resistance is more niche.

Yes, but isn't there a point where too much of one stat has diminishing returns? I don't know where that break point is for HPs on tanks though.

Honestly I got no clue, I just try and get a lot of HP on my guys. Other people probably know the optimal perks better than I do, I just figured that more HP would always be more valuable than removing the headshot damage modifier.

[thebadman]

Health = resolve if you do get hit as every 2.5% missing is -1 res so there is always value in pumping it once you get desired res levels aside from injury resistance and being alive. Fatigue and mdef are always good for obvious reasons.

[Krick]

hard to say I haven't really used BF brothers since Barbarian expansion came out, but compared to other orgion's, like already tier2 fanatic cultist buff removes morale check's on hit point damage and the other reason is ignoring injuries for current battle that reduces melee defense by 40%. and with nine lives adding 15 melee, ranged, resolve, initiative it's quite a lot.

It can even be enough hp that get's added to survive another blow, if the helm or armor isn't that damaged.
compared to other orgion's their might have terrible morale when it activates or really bad injuries so their might not avoid anymore blows.

it also sorta gives a safety net, that now another battle brother needs to use his turn throwing a smoke bomb so the guy who used nine lives can escape melee instead of just outright dying on the spot because you didn't expect so much damage rolling in.

[Včelí medvídek]

Imho Steel brow = situational Colossus. in particualr with 100 HP pool and battleforge the Colossus is clear choice giving benefit all the time and lowering chance of all injuries.

In those few situations where brow could really help mroe (eg. Chosen) , Indom. is your tank insurance.

[Lampros]

After having a 80 HP BF brother with 300-plus armor on both head and body 1-shot by a Berserker, I made up my mind to go Steel Brow. Turtle says you need almost 120 HP on 300-plus helmet to avoid being 1-shot, and I cannot achieve that one everyone without serious compromises.

Originally posted by Včelí medvídek:

Imho Steel brow = situational Colossus. in particualr with 100 HP pool and battleforge the Colossus is clear choice giving benefit all the time and lowering chance of all injuries.

In those few situations where brow could really help mroe (eg. Chosen) , Indom. is your tank insurance.

The problem with Indomitable is that in large combat, the tank has to continuously hold off multiple attackers, and thus he has to use Recover and cannot use Indomitable in some turns. And that's when you might get one-shot.

Are there any enemies that hit as hard as Orc Berserker?