Rank the lategame crises

[chandl34]

1) Noble War
Best loot. You can get your early battleforged characters suited up quickly, and plenty of billhooks to go around. Little challenge, since you usually have AI help, and they take most of the hits for you.

2) Holy War
Second best loot. If you want some swordlances or other southern weapons, this is a good place to get them. The difficulty is a little unpredictable.

3) Greenskin Invasion
You won't be using many of the dropped items, but you'll make a ton of cash off repaired orc gear. Not too difficult, even though you fight alone. It's a good thing the AI doesn't use shamans with it's big orc fights, or else this would be much harder

4) Undead Invasion
You can make some good money, but this invasion is frustrating, because it prevents you from effectively hunting down human opponents. Resurrecting humans can cause you to lose loot.

[Whatever100500]

1) Noble war - a lot of loot useful for early companies, Zweihander hats, very profitable. You get to chose which relations you lose.
2) Holy war against north - similar, but worse in some aspects.
3) Undead invasion - ancient undead champions carry nice famed stuff, though potential loot destruction due to reanimation of living enemies is a problem.
4) Greenskins - goblin famed weapons are mostly crap, orc 1h axes and cleavers are useful only for very specific duelist builds. Goblins + Orcs combo is super annoying to deal with.
5) Holy war against south - the most dangerous, yet far from most profitable crisis. Assassins are near impossible to loot when embedded into southern armies, too dangerous to try keeping them alive for later shanking. Almost no champions for famed loot (base enemy types used by gilded can't be champions, except 1% officers).

[anaphylactic god]

i think they all kinda weak, at least orks and undead can be called a crisis, others two can be skiped and you never notice.
some time i take contract to raid enemy caravan, reach it and puf -war is over and i need to either fail my contract or attack now neutral nobles.

[chandl34]

@champions
I don't know if I'd want to fight an assassin champion. They'd probably be brutal, like swordmaster champions. In the war, that could be pretty devastating. Against nomad camps, maybe not so bad.

Gunner ones could be good.

[Cat®]

I have a boring response that I agree with the OP. With one exception that greenskins are easy to kill, if, and only if, you are blessed with having picked Fearsome. Which is a great perk right now and might even be overpowered with how strong it is. But also that leads us to the undead which eat that perk alongside several others, then laugh, throw a bone in your face, and then merrily dance the night away. Also known as being a thorough pain in the backline. But I guess you can always just focus on killing goblins who are allergic to fire.

[turtle225]

Not sure how we are supposed to be ranking them. Seems like you guys are ranking based on loot returns. I can't say I care much about that either way.

Right now I can say that Holy War is the most fun, but it is also new. Maybe my opinion of that will change later.

Conversely I'm generally disappointed when I roll Undead. It is too easy.

[chandl34]

Originally posted by turtle225:

Not sure how we are supposed to be ranking them.

Whichever are your favorites. Can be for any reason.

[Cat®]

Originally posted by turtle225:

Not sure how we are supposed to be ranking them. Seems like you guys are ranking based on loot returns. I can't say I care much about that either way.

Right now I can say that Holy War is the most fun, but it is also new. Maybe my opinion of that will change later.

Conversely I'm generally disappointed when I roll Undead. It is too easy.

I assumed we were gauging them based on risk\reward in a very literal sense. The risk we incur and the potential rewards. Undead for example always agitate me because while they're fairly easy to itemise against you can't play dirty with them, you're almost always forced to take a stand-up fight which is against my nature and also means it can punish you for making mistakes very quickly. There's no room for mediocre characters in the sieges, because they will be ground down pretty quickly; while not a problem in of itself it is always sad when the loss happens as falling in the line of duty rather than being a trade for a specific purpose. At least, to me.

Basically, they punish you for being sloppy and if you're a sloppy player you're going to get punished. What do you have to show for it? A funny helmet and, if you're lucky, a crypt cleaver.

[chandl34]

You can get some good loot. I just got a good 2h mace from a champion fallen hero. Over the course of the run, I've gotten two great warscythes, that are much better than swordlances, and do more armor damage than billhooks. Got some good khopeshes too, but I don't use them on my dps anymore.

I may rank undead invasion over orc invasion for that, but I don't like that you should avoid human battles during it.

[chandl34]

Originally posted by Black Goat:

Originally posted by chandl34:

Resurrecting humans can cause you to lose loot.

Originally posted by Whatever100500:

potential loot destruction due to reanimation of living enemies is a problem.

I keep seeing this mentioned, is it a legacy concern from a past patch or game version? I've only been playing a few months but in maybe a dozen clears of the undead crisis I have never once seen loot deleted by raised enemies.

Does it still happen?

I'm not sure if the second and third deaths can cause the loot to change. However, you will be breaking more armor on your second time killing them, so that may be lost. They can also break their weapons, so you lose that too.

Fighting one of the huge nomad or barbarian fights during undead invasion could definitely be interesting, but I tend to avoid it.

[chandl34]

Originally posted by Black Goat:

Maybe I don't lose loot because I always have blacksmith by the time undead invasion happens?

Blacksmith saves your loot, not the enemies' loot.

[Piggy]

All and all, undead one is the fooking most boring one. They just take alot of time with not much loot for the annoying enemies u have to defeat, like can't ghasts drop me something, maybe some fragment of their soul inside them.

Zombies usually dont drop ♥♥♥♥ even tho they come in like 20 amount.

Ghasts just there to annoy.

Necromancers just make it take a longer time, power ups to zombies to fook u over and for some reason the necro got like an incredible amount of action points

Humans with necros just rise up.

Your brothers rise up when against necro so you know they ain't coming back.

[ca biche?]

Originally posted by Piggy:

All and all, undead one is the fooking most boring one. They just take alot of time with not much loot for the annoying enemies u have to defeat, like can't ghasts drop me something, maybe some fragment of their soul inside them.

Zombies usually dont drop ♥♥♥♥ even tho they come in like 20 amount.

Ghasts just there to annoy.

Necromancers just make it take a longer time, power ups to zombies to fook u over and for some reason the necro got like an incredible amount of action points

Humans with necros just rise up.

Your brothers rise up when against necro so you know they ain't coming back.

yea this. zombie fights are soo draggy with no loot

[Santo]

As a player I find the Greenskin invasion is the one I enjoy the most, I love fighting orcs. Noble war comes second for the loot. I hate fighting the undead, so I would rank the Holy War 3rd.

[Vic 20]

I actually like the Undead Crisis and it's events. Horde vs Horde for Peasant Militia. It's #1 for me.

Holy War is pretty challenging, and has some sick gear and strategies so it's #2 for me.

Greenskin Invasion is pretty intense, don't get to fight Greenskins much so it's #3 for me.

Noble War is just alright. It can be challenging or it can be boring, so it's #4 for me.

[suejak]

Hmm, I think the Noble War is the most fun because I love big battles with a bunch of different archetypes involved. You have the core noble types and then plenty of mercs as well.

The Holy War versus the South is the most fun from a challenge perspective, but I'm always disappointed by how little of the Noble War-style big battling there is. I want more mercenaries in every fight, more big battles of big North v South armies with elites/specialists on both sides, and even unique, palette-swapped southern mercenary groups featuring some elites like gladiators and nomads (blade dancers) as well as swordmasters, master archers, and hedge knights.

This is what I wanted from the Holy War.

I like the greenskins and undead crises equally. Zombies are a bit boring, I guess, so maybe that knocks them into last place. But overall I think they're both pretty fun.