[SPOILER] Blade Dancer Champion

[Gabbek]

Hello, I was doing delivery quest and was ambushed by mercenaries - I decided to fight against them. There was 17 of them with very good equipment and there was a blade dancer champion - I've managed to kill all 16 mercenaries, but the blade dancer soloed my entire team with 120 melee defense and duelist sword - killing all of my men one by one, 1-2 turns at a time (my best tanks lasted for about 2 turns). I wasn't able to hit him as I had 5% hit chance with everyone and sadly I have no nets available at that time. It just feels way too insane in my taste... would love to hear your thoughts. Day 143 and full team with quite good gear and around 20 famed items.

[Moghopper]

Blade Dancers need a massive nerf, along with most things in the south...

[bouchard_670]

Tough life in the south. Northerners need to complain less, they got it easy up there :-P

[The Duck Knight]

Well.....just one thing to tell you:

Originally posted by The Battle Brothers Net Association:

No nets, no pity.

maybe a few stun pots would have also worked good. and maybe smokebombs to get brothers away from him.

but, yes. the Bladedancers are insane, the champions even more.
I think they need to remove the Anticipation perk, so that you got a chance at hitting them with ranged weapons at least. These as champions are a bit too insane.

[Gabbek]

Originally posted by bouchard_670:

Tough life in the south. Northerners need to complain less, they got it easy up there :-P

I guess the ultimate answer is to always have enough nets in case you randomly encounter champion blade dancer :D

[The Duck Knight]

Originally posted by Gabbek:

Originally posted by bouchard_670:

Tough life in the south. Northerners need to complain less, they got it easy up there :-P

I guess the ultimate answer is to always have enough nets in case you randomly encounter champion blade dancer :D

as said before:

Originally posted by The Battle Brothers Net Association:

No nets, no pity.

[Gabbek]

Originally posted by The Duck Knight:

Well.....just one thing to tell you:

Originally posted by The Battle Brothers Net Association:

No nets, no pity.

maybe a few stun pots would have also worked good. and maybe smokebombs to get brothers away from him.

but, yes. the Bladedancers are insane, the champions even more.
I think they need to remove the Anticipation perk, so that you got a chance at hitting them with ranged weapons at least. These as champions are a bit too insane.

I didn't even know they had anticipation, but my crossbow guy had 30% chance to hit him, so I guess you're right. Net debuff is incredibly strong, so with it I'm pretty sure you can deal with them quite nicely if you have a stunner available, but otherwise... you're probably doomed.

[Minim]

Originally posted by Gabbek:

Originally posted by bouchard_670:

Tough life in the south. Northerners need to complain less, they got it easy up there :-P

I guess the ultimate answer is to always have enough nets in case you randomly encounter champion blade dancer :D

Fast Adaptation. Everybody needs it. 10+ to hit for every miss, even if you strike the shield

[S1]

Blade dancers are fine, just as sword masters are fine and neither need a nerf. The champion variants however are another story. I like having them in the game but they need to be a way bigger deal. Having a BD champion is not the same as having a nomad leader, they're seriously tough.

I've basically wiped a campaign fighting a sword master champion in the arena. I managed to 'beat' a blade dancer champion by tanking him long enough that the enemy retreated and then shield bashed him to safety so he could retreat. But honestly beating these guys is probably the biggest challenge the game can throw at you, including legendary locations.

[suejak]

Champions are also known as "mini bosses".

You should expect a boss-level fight, not an easy payday.

He didn't become a champion bladedancer just so you could roll over him and take his ♥♥♥♥.

Anyway, nets are not the only option. You could also fire pot, daze pot, goblin poison, spider poison, bleed, or any combination of the above.

[Gabbek]

Originally posted by MinimMats:

Originally posted by Gabbek:

I guess the ultimate answer is to always have enough nets in case you randomly encounter champion blade dancer :D

Fast Adaptation. Everybody needs it. 10+ to hit for every miss, even if you strike the shield

Half of my guys had it, but they didn't last long enough for it to matter :) starting from 5% chance... you have to survive for quite a while to manage to hit him. But as The Duck Knight said - you either have nets, or you die, so I think it's all fine.

[S1]

Originally posted by suejak:

Champions are also known as "mini bosses".

You should expect a boss-level fight, not an easy payday.

Honestly though, before blazing deserts that's exactly what champions were, a free piece of named gear. I'm not saying that the change is wrong, but it sure as hell is jarring.

[Chezz]

Yes, Blade Dancers are stupid... someone on Reddit posted today all the perks they have... is hilarious. Why do they even need Footwork, for example?

I think they should be toned down quite a bit. You only have a chance against them with massive consumable use. And a slim one at best.

[Gabbek]

Originally posted by Sheks:

Originally posted by suejak:

Champions are also known as "mini bosses".

You should expect a boss-level fight, not an easy payday.

Honestly though, before blazing deserts that's exactly what champions were, a free piece of named gear. I'm not saying that the change is wrong, but it sure as hell is jarring.

It was quite nice to wipe on a quest for 400g :D

[Teut]

These 'Lol, use nets!' posts are extremely stupid. As if having a net or two solves the problem.

And while using proper equipment for each fight should make them easier, the increaseddemand for consumables is not a step in a good direction.

[suejak]

^ Has never used a net in his life.