NO unique Heavy javelin ?

[Polar Bear]

Is it really no Heavy Javelin ?

[suejak]

Correct. My impression is that base weapon types that are simply superior to others don't have named variants. For example, the heavy jav is so strong, it's already basically a named jav type and named human javs would always be pleb javs if there were named heavy javs out there. Similarly, the named mansplitter would simply outclass all named greataxes. Named goblin xbow would just clown on named xbows.

Although obviously not strictly true 100% of the time, it's easy to see how people would always view basic human named weapons as being "less good" and therefore less interesting if named versions of beefier racial weapons existed.

TLDR ya that'd wreck.

[andrekroon27]

I mean named goblin crossbow is in no way straight better. You trade 5 hit chance for 2 fatigue and then the sometimes good sometimes bad that is knockback.

Anyways what they should do is make the baseline named throwing weapons slightly better than the non-famed normal human throwing weapons, like they did with named goblin bows having their +10% arpen and goblin nameds in general costing less fatigue base than goblin commons.

[suejak]

Indeed, Andrew, I have said there should be a named goblin xbow in the game for ages, so you don't have to convince me.

[turtle225]

Pretty sure the reason is that Named Goblin Xbow + Overseer Ignore armor racial bonus could outright one shot most non-Nimble bros on a + damage and/or Ignore famed Xbow.

I guess they could add it as a random drop, and just not create Overseer champions. That would be fine.

As for Heavy Javelins. They are already crazy strong. So a famed version would just be nuts. It isn't uncommon to get famed regular Javelins/Axes that are worse than the regular Barb versions already.

[msunavygrad]

Originally posted by andrekroon27:

I mean named goblin crossbow is in no way straight better. You trade 5 hit chance for 2 fatigue and then the sometimes good sometimes bad that is knockback.

Anyways what they should do is make the baseline named throwing weapons slightly better than the non-famed normal human throwing weapons, like they did with named goblin bows having their +10% arpen and goblin nameds in general costing less fatigue base than goblin commons.

The Spiked Impaler is easily the best Crossbow in the game, makes holding the flanks in all three Crisis' much easier. A better version would be totally amazing.

The same would go for named Barbarian axes/javelins - they are already the best damage dealing weapons in the game, what else would they need?

[andrekroon27]

The spiked impaler is in no way the best you can do. You trade 5 accuracy for a sidegrade bonus.

[msunavygrad]

Originally posted by andrekroon27:

The spiked impaler is in no way the best you can do. You trade 5 accuracy for a sidegrade bonus.

The 5 accuracy is nothing for a solid crossbow man. The Impaler can be used to prevent almost all the 2H weapons wielders in the game (hats off to Orc Warriors and Warlords) from attacking your flanks via either preventative or spoiler knockbacks. They can also save a breached spearwall, or a broken line.

It is one of the few crowd control weapons in the game, and it can be given to a ranged specialist leaving your real killers and tanks free.

[msunavygrad]

Originally posted by andrekroon27:

Except unlike pike knockback it is not guaranteed, let alone less likely to connect in the first place due to reduced accuracy. Im sorry but if you think the spiked impaler is a straight upgrade rather than a sidegrade with a 5 degree bonus downgrade then you are a deluded noob.

Deluded Noob? I have been playing this game since early access. I find the Impaler to be a fantastic weapon, but apparently you don't. It works great for me as I explained, feel free to ignore my strategy.

BB's lets folks play all different ways, there is no required meta.