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feeWAIVER Jul 14, 2019 @ 1:48pm
Why the name Unhold?
I looked up the definition of Unhold, and it just said "fiend".

So when I think of unhold, I think of something much smaller, thinner.
The best match in BB I can relate it to is Necrosavants.

These Unholds are clearly Trolls.
Originally posted by 0 SH00B3RT 0:
Well I looked it up and OP while you are correct. It seems unhold has many more meanings than fiend. It's also means demon, monster, and evil spirit. German Synonyms for unhold seem to be kobold, troll, and gnom. Plus there's a movie called "Der Unhold," which translates to "The Ogre." It's a WWII Movie, might be pretty good.

Which that knowledge, we can figure out synonyms for troll. Fiend is also synonymous with Ogre as well as troll. At first glance Unholds don't look like demons or fiends, but they do have some features that are common with demons and fiends.

The features a little more mute and hard to pick up on. Their eyes are red, unless it's the swamp variant which is green. Their eyes don't have pupils, at least to me they don't. Their ears are more pointed, which is common theme I've seen with demons, fiends, and elves. (What do you know, never trust and elf drengbarazi!) Their ability to regenerate can be seen as a demon like feature. They also look like frogs and their skin is scaly, frogs are also associated with demons and witchcraft.

Now look up an image of a demon and start piecing together similar information. Unholds are not only trolls, but also demons. Scaly skin/mutated skin, regenerative capabilities, soulless eyes(lack of pupils), red eyes, etc. I know this is just their artistic depiction of a creature based on Germanic Mythos, but I feel like a total nerd right now. I hope that helps with seeing the mindset behind the artists/creators of that creature and every creature.

Damnit OP, why did you make me bomb you with my nerd ♥♥♥♥?:brotherskull:
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Whatever100500 Jul 14, 2019 @ 2:03pm 
Because you can't hold them down?...Quote fitting imo, and devs clearly don't like using traditional fantasy names when they can avoid it.
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0 SH00B3RT 0 Jul 14, 2019 @ 3:02pm 
Well I looked it up and OP while you are correct. It seems unhold has many more meanings than fiend. It's also means demon, monster, and evil spirit. German Synonyms for unhold seem to be kobold, troll, and gnom. Plus there's a movie called "Der Unhold," which translates to "The Ogre." It's a WWII Movie, might be pretty good.

Which that knowledge, we can figure out synonyms for troll. Fiend is also synonymous with Ogre as well as troll. At first glance Unholds don't look like demons or fiends, but they do have some features that are common with demons and fiends.

The features a little more mute and hard to pick up on. Their eyes are red, unless it's the swamp variant which is green. Their eyes don't have pupils, at least to me they don't. Their ears are more pointed, which is common theme I've seen with demons, fiends, and elves. (What do you know, never trust and elf drengbarazi!) Their ability to regenerate can be seen as a demon like feature. They also look like frogs and their skin is scaly, frogs are also associated with demons and witchcraft.

Now look up an image of a demon and start piecing together similar information. Unholds are not only trolls, but also demons. Scaly skin/mutated skin, regenerative capabilities, soulless eyes(lack of pupils), red eyes, etc. I know this is just their artistic depiction of a creature based on Germanic Mythos, but I feel like a total nerd right now. I hope that helps with seeing the mindset behind the artists/creators of that creature and every creature.

Damnit OP, why did you make me bomb you with my nerd ♥♥♥♥?:brotherskull:
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TehOuchies Jul 14, 2019 @ 4:24pm 
And here I thought it was because they tossed the unprepared around in combat.
Darth Cannabis Jul 14, 2019 @ 6:39pm 
Yep he is quite correct. I just happen to have an english to german dictionary from the 70s lying around (it was my mom's).

Looking up ogre in it, Unhold is one of the words of its 2nd definition (mythological definition). Its also rather specifically male form of word.

An ogress, would be called Menshenfresserin, according to this old dictionary.
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Justin_760 Jul 14, 2019 @ 8:57pm 
Its a German studio, so some of the monsters come from German folklore from centuries ago. A lot of the names are German as well. "Nachtzehrers" is German, Nacht is "night" in German, zehrer I have no clue.

Same with Unholds.
SaurianDruid Jul 14, 2019 @ 9:25pm 
When it comes to mythology, especially that of Celtic/Germanic folklore, specific words rarely have a specific meaning. It isn't like these things are real animals you can see with your eyes and go "Yes, this is a goat." They are imagined creatures from stories that people once thought were real.

So you may say "Unhold means fiend, and fiends don't look like that." But someone from another town might treat trolls and fiends as synonyms. If you described what you think of as a troll to them in detail they may well reply with "Oh, so you mean a fiend?" Someone from the next town over might say it sounds more like an ogre. Someone from Japan would call it an oni.

Fantasy creatures didn't start developing their more consistent traits until the modern age where information is shared much quicker and everyone can draw from what they've read in books on the subject. Before books this was all shared by word of mouth and every small community had their own variants on every type of magical creature.
0 SH00B3RT 0 Jul 14, 2019 @ 10:48pm 
Originally posted by MetalJimmor:
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Precisely what this man said OP. It's kind of insane when you think about it, that people could describe things differently and it would still be the same thing. You have to think like a person back then to really get a feel for folklore and other stuff. There are paintings from centuries ago depicting demons, creatures, evilness, witchcraft, etc. Take some of the pictures people have drawn from reading the bible to depict scenes and stuff. People shared terms through word of mouth, drew things to give it meaning, even acted out in normal conversation. Just to illustrate a picture of what was happening, what they're trying to convey, etc.

To this day we still do similar things like that, just less so. I tend to talk with my hands a lot more and I don't even realize it. It helps me focus on my conversation and makes it easier but also more entertaining/annoying for others I'm talking to in person. It's basically history of us as a society and how we used to be. It's quite the mental image when you think about it and very interesting to me.

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Originally posted by TehOuchies:
And here I thought it was because they tossed the unprepared around in combat.

Lol, that made me chuckle.
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Shad1902 Jul 15, 2019 @ 11:17am 
Originally posted by Justin_760:
Its a German studio, so some of the monsters come from German folklore from centuries ago. A lot of the names are German as well. "Nachtzehrers" is German, Nacht is "night" in German, zehrer I have no clue.

Same with Unholds.

you must be a very young german then ;)
(reading some old books and tales would give you this knowledge)

First, it's Nachzehrer

Zehrer = eater (comes from zehren = eating in old german, you may heard "verzehren")
Nach = after

The Nachzehrer is a creatures that eats after death (after-eater). Vampires are considered Nachzehrer...

Same goes for the Wiedergänger
it's a creature that walks (gänger) again (wieder), also known in the modern world as zombie, though skeletons are also in this category.

etc...

not sure if an unhold can be a fiend, but the german Unhold is generally some big demonic creature. Though the word only means "someone who is not friendly" in old middle-age-german.
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xtxownage Jul 16, 2019 @ 1:59am 
Originally posted by TehOuchies:
And here I thought it was because they tossed the unprepared around in combat.
WATCH OUT WATCH OUT! *Unhold suplex* OHHHHHHHHH
TehOuchies Jul 16, 2019 @ 8:18am 
Originally posted by Preston Garvey:
Originally posted by TehOuchies:
And here I thought it was because they tossed the unprepared around in combat.
WATCH OUT WATCH OUT! *Unhold suplex* OHHHHHHHHH

Unhold 360 degree spin!... Now everyone gets a broken nose :(
The Duck Knight Jul 17, 2019 @ 2:57am 
Just...let me explain, even if there is already an explaination, because that one is only the half truth:
Unhold refers to the oldish term "hold" which means "graceful, lovely, of delicate beauty" and the prefix "Un" which means that he is exacly that NOT.
They are called Unholds because they are some really ugly Mothernudgers.
Okay? That it.

tl;dr They are called Unholds because they are ugly.
pAraDiSe L0sT Jul 17, 2019 @ 4:09am 
Originally posted by The Duck Knight:
Just...let me explain, even if there is already an explaination, because that one is only the half truth:
Unhold refers to the oldish term "hold" which means "graceful, lovely, of delicate beauty" and the prefix "Un" which means that he is exacly that NOT.
They are called Unholds because they are some really ugly Mothernudgers.
Okay? That it.

tl;dr They are called Unholds because they are ugly.


Basically this. Unhold does not depict a certain type of foe it's more or less a collective term like monster.
Shad1902 Jul 17, 2019 @ 9:38am 
Originally posted by The Duck Knight:
Just...let me explain, even if there is already an explaination, because that one is only the half truth:
Unhold refers to the oldish term "hold" which means "graceful, lovely, of delicate beauty" and the prefix "Un" which means that he is exacly that NOT.
They are called Unholds because they are some really ugly Mothernudgers.
Okay? That it.

tl;dr They are called Unholds because they are ugly.

not entirely true, "hold" comes from de middle age german word "hulpa" meaning "someone who is pleasant", and the old german word "holdo" which is a friend, for the example, a good fairy in old german is a "holde fee". Thus, the unhold is someone who is not pleasant. In old german, even a brigand or a killer could be an unhold, but it later became a word for any unpleasant mythical creatures, be it beast or demon.

Nothing at all in relation to beauty....sorry guys.

....which is not entirely true also, because there is also the middle-german word "hold" for beauty...like the "holde Maid" (the beautiful virgin), but it's not this "hold" which is in use here (same word, different meanings, and I think the "beautiful" hold is more recent than the middle aged, saxon-german "hold" for friendly).

For example, "das Glück ist ihm hold" doesn't mean that "luck is beautiful to him", but "luck is friendly to him" (he's a lucky person).
or when my sister calls me "mein holder Bruder", she doesn`t mean that I am beautiful ;) (but that I`m the pleasant/beloved brother).

So, in the end we can agree that the unhold is an unpleasant, ugly creature of undefined origin.
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