garrison exploits

[malibu]

I think it should be fixed. It spoils expert ironman experience too much.

At game start you find roaming brigands, chase them to town garrison. THEY kill brigands YOU get loot and money and exp. Several f ights and you are too ahead of the time no matter how bad you are at the game. This is not expert level.

Also if brigands start running away from garrison, you just attack them and fall back and they stand at the same place for some time so garrison can attack them.

I saw this exploit on stream and it spoils expert ironman difficulty and other difficulties and makes the game too easy.

[ralgur]

Seems lame for sure. What's the point of playing the game that is supposed to be hard, if all you're doing is exploiting something that I seriously doubt was intended to be in the game. I mean, cheat cheat cheat, become very powerful due to the gear you buy from exploiting, and then cruise. /yawn If I wanted that, I'd play World of Warcraft.

[Marcomies]

As far as I know you don't get experience or loot from enemies killed by friendly npcs. In several fights that I have joined the friendly force has managed to kill the enemies before I have had time to get at them and that has always resulted in 0 exp for everyone and no drop loot.

[Tegga21]

Originally posted by Marcomies:

As far as I know you don't get experience or loot from enemies killed by friendly npcs. In several fights that I have joined the friendly force has managed to kill the enemies before I have had time to get at them and that has always resulted in 0 exp for everyone and no drop loot.

This, sometimes you get minor loot but not xp

[Mr.Toad]

Its been mentioned. You dont get loot from enemies you dont personally kill nor do you get experience.

You may however get loot for the defeat of the enemy group in the form of coins or supplies. And you still potentially get loot from fallen allies. So if the garrison lost a few members in the fight you can actually recover their loot.

[76561198074709395]

It's a single-player game; no one's going to police you.

If you think something's lame or an exploit, simply don't do it.

[Mr.Toad]

Originally posted by steven.aus:

I thought if allies died you didn't get any loot?

Mmm. You could be right though since during noble war fights I never seem to recover shields of allies. But i have recovered some helmets during orc fights so its hard to tell.

[Volcanuz.-]

Originally posted by Marcomies:

As far as I know you don't get experience or loot from enemies killed by friendly npcs. In several fights that I have joined the friendly force has managed to kill the enemies before I have had time to get at them and that has always resulted in 0 exp for everyone and no drop loot.

This.

If you don't inflict damage or take damage you will not get exp. Also if you don't kill the enemy unit you wont get the loot from that body (found that out by accidently having dire wolves join my battle against some bandits which was hilarious- They killed one wolf and i didn't get its pelt, i killed 2 and i only got 2 pelts over 3 which is how many dires there were.)

[red255]

you get a much reduce amount of loot and 20% of the global kill XP you normally get .

its been fixed as much as its going to be.

if someone 'saw something on a stream' OH NOES.

...what the ♥♥♥♥ is this? Is this like there way of saying I totally don't do this, but my brother does?

Man up, if you do it yourself its fine, but I don't want to hear about something someone else did.

[Mountain King]

Originally posted by ralgur:

Seems lame for sure. What's the point of playing the game that is supposed to be hard, if all you're doing is exploiting something that I seriously doubt was intended to be in the game. I mean, cheat cheat cheat, become very powerful due to the gear you buy from exploiting, and then cruise. /yawn If I wanted that, I'd play World of Warcraft.

Then maybe you should play that since you aren't describing BB anyway.

[zosh127]

Tested this last week. Was trying a start where I stuck to the 3 guys, used my money for trading, and kited all enemies into patrols.

Went to day 20 5 times. You get some armor but it's rare, so don't expect to outfit your entire crew with it. You only get loot bag drops (i.e. weapons and shields) if you get the kill. You get no XP unless you get in there.

The only time I had even a reasonable sum of money by day 10 was because I found 3 trade goods to work with. Even then, at day 20 I didn't feel I was as well off as I would have been if I had just fought.

My conclusion: if a group is too big to handle kite them into help. This game doesn't hold your hand and only provide things you should fight. But if you want to be rewarded by them, at this point in development it doesn't add up to sit around kiting them.

[Volcanuz.-]

Originally posted by zosh127:

Tested this last week. Was trying a start where I stuck to the 3 guys, used my money for trading, and kited all enemies into patrols.

Went to day 20 5 times. You get some armor but it's rare, so don't expect to outfit your entire crew with it. You only get loot bag drops (i.e. weapons and shields) if you get the kill. You get no XP unless you get in there.

The only time I had even a reasonable sum of money by day 10 was because I found 3 trade goods to work with. Even then, at day 20 I didn't feel I was as well off as I would have been if I had just fought.

My conclusion: if a group is too big to handle kite them into help. This game doesn't hold your hand and only provide things you should fight. But if you want to be rewarded by them, at this point in development it doesn't add up to sit around kiting them.

To be honest though if you are kiting or needing to kite even big forces you aren't playing your teams cards properly. Understanding your enemies and how they attack over just charging forward and not using what your setup provides you will always make the game seem harder than it is. If you just understand what you have and how to use it you will hardly ever lose a man and if you did it was an expendable character most the time. ONly time i ever kite is to stop something chasing me and to let me continue with my healing or trading. No need to help the fight if you get ♥♥♥♥ all out of it.

[Martin Fencka]

If the devs didnt want this to be in the game they would just disable it. Its not an exploit or cheating or anything. Its just a cleaver use of everything the game offers.
When Im being chased by a group of bandits that is stronger than me why would I face them alone? To die heroicly? Thats plain stupid. Its a good strategy to bring them to someone who can handle them. They get the loot I get out alive.
Also early there are some fights that can be a problem (like direwolves during first 5 days etc). Kiting them into garrison is by far the smartest way of handling it.
And honestly its been nerfed so much that right now it can maybe save your ass here and there but it will never give you a better start than when you kill everything yourself.

[zosh127]

Originally posted by Volcanuz.-:

To be honest though if you are kiting or needing to kite even big forces you aren't playing your teams cards properly. Understanding your enemies and how they attack over just charging forward and not using what your setup provides you will always make the game seem harder than it is. If you just understand what you have and how to use it you will hardly ever lose a man and if you did it was an expendable character most the time. ONly time i ever kite is to stop something chasing me and to let me continue with my healing or trading. No need to help the fight if you get ♥♥♥♥ all out of it.

When you start on expert you don't have the money for a cohesive team. If you hire up to 7 you don't have the money to get them all proper weapons or thick tunics. You have to spend a little time scrapping for whatever you can get because that gear doesn't stand up to any quantity of raiders.

By day 20 it should all be cleared up though, and most the kiting is going to be either that random group that's too strong, hunters because you want to avoid those first turn luck shots, or that contract group that doesn't pay as well as it should and you simply don't want to risk your guys on 9 direwolves for 300 crowns. However, I think OP is talking about the very beginning, like day 3-7 somewhere.