How to use Balthasar Gelt?

[Brinklight]

Hello Everyone,

I need some help using Balthasar Gelt. When i try to use him i often find him either dying very fast or doing absolutely nothing when i fight in different battles. How can i use him to maximum effectiveness?

[Smiling "Lucky" Lynx]

I can "use" the guy but I always feel I could have any other lord doing better in his place. His magic just feels weak. I hear a lot of people complain about Gelt and Himmler or whatever they so cleverly twisted his name to.

[Harukage]

In theory Gelt should be awesome. His debuffs are still awesome. His damage spells though are worthless just about as any ather damaging spells when your units size is set to ultra. Just put points in debuffs and everything else into leadershipp skills.

[Brinklight]

Yes i remember my first time using him he died, second time using him he didn't kill a single enemy, even after casting 4-5 spells

[Brinklight]

Any mods that might make him better?

[Harukage]

Just wait till CA finaly stop been lazy and make magic damaging spells to properly scale with unit size setting. Or play with small units. Do not know anything about mods.

[Smiling "Lucky" Lynx]

Originally posted by Harukage:

Just wait till CA finaly stop been lazy and make magic damaging spells to properly scale with unit size setting.

Pretty much this. I don't know of a mod that makes Gelt hit with anything more than the force of a snowball, so we might be out of luck. Shame since he's pretty cool.

[Brinklight]

I know he looks and sounds so awesome, shame hes bad atm.

[[PHNX]Kordarus]

Originally posted by Harukage:

Just wait till CA finaly stop been lazy and make magic damaging spells to properly scale with unit size setting. Or play with small units. Do not know anything about mods.

They don't feel the need to fix anything, the game is still top seller on steam, so they just celebrate until the money flow stop.

Then we may get some fix and new contents.

[Phantus]

Yeah, he's garbage. Magic is poorly designed in this game and until fixed there isn't much point in taking characters like Gelt.

[Sargeist]

Prior to the release of the game, alot of people were worried magic would be too OP. In my opnion, CA has accidently done the opposite in their attempts to avoid this.

I've seen the lore of metal magic bombardment spell (forgot it's name) cast twice on the same unit getting a staggering zero kills.

Hoping patches will fix this.

[Smiling "Lucky" Lynx]

Originally posted by Ahriman:

Prior to the release of the game, alot of people were worried magic would be too OP. In my opnion, CA has accidently done the opposite in their attempts to avoid this.

I've seen the lore of metal magic bombardment spell (forgot it's name) cast twice on the same unit getting a staggering zero kills.

Hoping patches will fix this.

That ability would be far better if it were simply: "Causes foe in targeted area to roll on the floor with laughter."

[Queco Jones21]

There are a number of mods that buff Gelt's stats and spells. There are also mods that buff magic spells overall, at least the damage dealing ones.

Without these mods, magic is just worthless. I remember casting burning head like 4 times in one battle and the bright wizard only got around 8-10 kills...

[goumindong]

Originally posted by -VI-Brinklight:

Hello Everyone,

I need some help using Balthasar Gelt. When i try to use him i often find him either dying very fast or doing absolutely nothing when i fight in different battles. How can i use him to maximum effectiveness?

The best part about gelt is that it can be really easy to get franz for your second lord if you play your cards right. Which leaves you with two legendary lords and so much less risk of them dying.

Gelt is one of the weaker legendary lords mainly because of his low armor. Because of which he will lose duels with other lords (100% definitely against orcs).

Additionally his first spell appears to be bugged. Which means winning the first battles are very hard. You've got to make sure he melees without just plain dying. Which means he always has to flank/not be engaged by enemies. Make sure your lines meet before sending him in. After that he will wreck nearly as hard as franz. Same thing works for necromancer lords.

Anyway since your first spell doesn't work you're going to want to rush to more spells. Until you're level 3 things are tough. But after that you can pick up some really good buffs. I can't check exactly what they do but one is +leadership and + AP damage and that is really good. And the other one is I think a -armor debuff and is also very good

Your primary play pattern is going to be using your special ability to give you -100% miscast chance and then overcharge your buffs on a proper area to give you the edge to win. Then melee to clean up.

After you have the first spells you can focus on the leadership tree to strengthen your line. And/get a mount to protect yourself.

The hard part is getting to 3. Then you can start to be effective. Just remember to double click to overcharge spells

[Budoshi]

in theory. hes just bad., with crappy results and crappy damage.your probably using him right lol

[bionic ape]

Yeah, I actually regret building the Altdorf College of Magic on my last playthrough just to get Gelt. I feel like I'd have been slightly better off spending that money elsewhere and just recruiting a standard lord.