Confusing Number System

[ExpendableGrunt]

Is there some reason for the confusing way this game displays numbers? There is no such thing as eight thousand billion. We have a perfectly good number system that most people understand. Why on earth would the devs seemingly create their own way to display large numbers? There is an option to display in scientific notation. How about an option to display in proper decimal format?

That said, this is a fun, polished game. I just wish I didn't have to parse the numbers in my head every time I try to do anything.

[alveolate]

why is there "no such thing" as 8,000 billion? when you have a whole bunch of things with a range of costs between 1 billion to 500 billion, it may be helpful to see how many billions you have at the moment. but of course, that's just a matter of preference i guess.

when u get to e^60+ (iirc) the annoying thing is converting from the -illions system to the scientific notation. eventually, u get more used to scientific and just check that option.

[Shadowspaz]

The "1,000K" kind of thing, I was fine with, cause it was easy enough to relate to the other values still.

I think the way Cookie Clicker did it was the best, outside of scientific notation- Each of those made sense. Qa is quadrillion, Qi is quint, Sx is sex, Sp is sept... But this? I have no idea what # or ! or $ means. There's no logic with those symbols.

Scientific notation it is, then.

[Reksel]

Legend of Large Numbers

1K = 1,000 = One Thousand
1M = 1,000K = One Million
1B = 1,000M = One Billion
1T = 1,000B = One Trillion
1q = 1,000T = One Quadrillion
1Q = 1,000q = One Quintillion
1s = 1,000Q = One Sextillion
1S = 1,000s = One Septillion
1O = 1,000S = One Octillion
1N = 1,000O = One Nonillion
1d = 1,000N = One Decillion
1U = 1,000d = One Undecillion
1D = 1,000U = One Duodecillion
1! = 1,000D = One Tredecillion
1@ = 1,000! = One Quattuordecillion
1# = 1,000@ = One Quindecillion
1$ = 1,000# = One Sexdecillion
1% = 1,000$ = One Septendecillion
1^ = 1,000% = One Octodecillion
1& = 1,000^ = One Novemdecillion
1* = 1,000& = One Vigintillion
A lot > 1,000* < A lot


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Yw.

[Shadowspaz]

Sure, but as you get higher up, it gets less and less intuitive. Basic knowledge of large numbers doesn't help at all, because there's no logical connection between ! and tredecillion.

And referencing a chart like this, whether it's actually added to the Steam version or not, is just tedious. Besides, scientific notation tells you exactly how many orders of magnitude there are between numbers. From Frostleaf to Dread Knight, S to U really doesn't tell me how far it is, and even looking at the chart, it'll still take some mental calculation to know just how big a gap you have.

Scientific notation, on the other hand: e28 to e40. 12 orders of magnitude. Simple, intuitive, easy to understand. Done.

[Reksel]

So you haven't been playing on the browser version, gotcha.

But for gold, I get it, however I hate looking at my hero souls, all messed up in numbers because they are still just sort of 200k per ascension and total being 2.000k before I spend on anything. It makes scientific notations obnoxious overall for me.

Once you get passed "A Lot", you reach scientific notations either way.

[Shadowspaz]

I figured you played this quite a bit, judging by your achievements. :P

Sounds like you've just gotten used to the numbering system, then.

[Reksel]

Messaggio originale di Shadowspaz:

I figured you played this quite a bit, judging by your achievements. :P

Sounds like you've just gotten used to the numbering system, then.

Unfortunately yes :( Idling to 1900.

[alveolate]

if you are following the progress, the symbol method is sufficient most of the time. you seldom need to compare things more than 3-6 orders of magnitude away. in fact, for much of my early time playing the game, i pretty much got so accustomed to the symbols that it became "memorised" (actually i never remembered what @ or ! stood for, it just got so ingrained that i knew when they came up).

scientific notation is definitely more standardised... and after you hit "a lot" like reksel mentioned, you have no choice but to learn it. and after you've gotten used to e^X you never look back. so if this game isn't good for anything else, it teaches people to get used to scientific notation :)

[Dragonsacred]

try the option "always use scientific notation", in that way u see a number, and then eX, where X is the quantity of numbers in the decimal part, i mean, 1.XXXXe6 is 1 folowed by 6 numbers, 1 million, 1.XXXXe9 is equal at 1 followed by 9 numbers, in metric system, mil millions

[February]

Messaggio originale di Shadowspaz:

Sure, but as you get higher up, it gets less and less intuitive. Basic knowledge of large numbers doesn't help at all, because there's no logical connection between ! and tredecillion.

And referencing a chart like this, whether it's actually added to the Steam version or not, is just tedious. Besides, scientific notation tells you exactly how many orders of magnitude there are between numbers. From Frostleaf to Dread Knight, S to U really doesn't tell me how far it is, and even looking at the chart, it'll still take some mental calculation to know just how big a gap you have.

Scientific notation, on the other hand: e28 to e40. 12 orders of magnitude. Simple, intuitive, easy to understand. Done.

Since scientific notations are easier for you, just... oh, I don't know, switch them on right here and now?

lol.

[Dragonsacred]

order of magnitude i dont know what mean, e28 mean there are 28 number after the first number (6 numbers ,1.000.000, million, 12 numbers, 1.000.000.000.000, billion), and so on

[Kurzidan]

What do you mean there's no Logical connection between ! and tredecillion?
! is shift+1 on the keyboard. Numerically speaking, you're following the keyboard.
d is 10
U is +1 to d, 11
D is +2 to d, 12
! is +1 to D, 13
@ is +2 to D, 14
# is +3 to D, 15
$ is +4 to D, 16
% is +5 ro D, 17
^ is +6 to D, 18
& is +7 to D, 19
and * is +8 to D, 20.

for FrostLeaf to Dread now S to U easily tells you how much you're looking at.
10k U, which, is 10D because every 1000 U is a D
s is 6
S is 7
O is 8
N is 9
d is 10
so on.
2k S is 2O. You're 4 brackets of wealth change away from owning him.
That however, translates in huge chunks of zones, or SUPER LONG farming. around 270-320, depending on how fast you're clearing the stages, you'll make enough.
But you'l make enough for Frostleaf at like half that.

10D is 10kU is 10kkd is 10kkkN is 10kkkkO (replace any k with 3 zeroes, if you desire)

Now of course. My representation of their connection is purely with their name. Their name has nothing to do with specifically how many zeroes they have, etc. "Novemdecillion" doesn't have 19, 190 or 7 more than duodecillion zeroes.

In the US it is 1 followed by 60 zeroes
and in Great Britain its 1 followed by 114 zeroes (youwch, nearly double the worth...)

Its just "19" or 7+12 because "Novem" + "deci"llion is 9, 10, and llion

Viginti + million = 20
Novem+deci = 19
octo+deci = 18
etc
etc

[The_Driver]

Messaggio originale di Kurzidan:

What do you mean there's no Logical connection between ! and tredecillion?
! is shift+1 on the keyboard. Numerically speaking, you're following the keyboard.

Which only works if you assume to use a specific keyboard layout (implied by the 'the').

[ExpendableGrunt]

Messaggio originale di NASCAV alveolate:

why is there "no such thing" as 8,000 billion?

Because 8,000 billion is actually 8 trillion. It's like measuring something in thousands of millimeters instead of just using meters.

Anyway, I decided to try out Scientific Notation, even though I wasn't too familiar with it. I'm glad I did. It makes the game a whole lot clearer.

[CmdrQuartz]

Expendable, but what about people saying twelve hundred or fifteen hundred, which is really one thousand two hundred or one thousand five hundred. The answer most people would come up with is it's easier to say, less syllables, and just as easy to understand. It's not "right" but we do it for ease of use.