how many level are there

[LukeNelsey]

how many level are there

[larry]

4725

[LukeNelsey]

oh im only on 100 XD

[Knivel]

You can restrict it to lvl 3600, since you get the last achievement of this type if you beat that one. You have a long way ahead of you if you aim to reach there... as do I, i'm still on 215.

[NaRaKa]

I was heart broken when I realized yesterday that I was only just getting into mid game. On the bright side my runs now last about an hour and earn 13K HS.

[Knivel]

I still don't understand what defines the passage from "early" to "mid" game, and after that to "late" game. Is the mid game the 500's when you should respec the gilds to Samurai?

I feel like i have accomplished a few things already, but i guess it's nothing compared to what i'm still missing... lol

[larry]

Originally posted by andrew1931:

I was heart broken when I realized yesterday that I was only just getting into mid game. On the bright side my runs now last about an hour and earn 13K HS.

how do you accelerate runs so much?

I've been running from fresh ascend this morning about 4:15 hours (8am-12:15), no skills used except for EN/DR/RLD

it's instakill to 708 at the moment (as long as i remember to batch upgrade every now and then), but it took so long

how are you running so fast?

[NaRaKa]

Having the right Ancients is everything. Right now I have:

Argaive lvl 200
Iris lvl 95
Juggernaut lvl 11
libertas lvl 100
mammon lvl 110
mimzee lvl 125
Morgulis lvl 40000
Siyalatas lvl 255
Solomon lvl 120

Maxed:

Atman
Dogcog
Dora
khrysos
Kumawakamaru


My ancient levels are not what they should be, but Iris, Dogcog, Kumawakamaru, and khrysos speed up runs by a lot.

[larry]

Originally posted by andrew1931:

Having the right Ancients is everything. Right now I have:

Argaive lvl 200
Iris lvl 95
Juggernaut lvl 11
libertas lvl 100
mammon lvl 110
mimzee lvl 125
Morgulis lvl 40000
Siyalatas lvl 255
Solomon lvl 120

Maxed:

Atman
Dogcog
Dora
khrysos
Kumawakamaru


My ancient levels are not what they should be, but Iris, Dogcog, Kumawakamaru, and khrysos speed up runs by a lot.

Originally posted by Froggy Fraggelnos:

Originally posted by larry:

how do you accelerate runs so much?

I've been running from fresh ascend this morning about 4:15 hours (8am-12:15), no skills used except for EN/DR/RLD

it's instakill to 708 at the moment (as long as i remember to batch upgrade every now and then), but it took so long

how are you running so fast?

I earn about 1.1Mil HS/hour if I do a run where I pay attention to the game throughout the entire run. How I do it? I've bought the right ancients, levelled them apropriately and spent a lot of time on the game.

Thanks guys, never mind, I actually figured it out, I was misinterpreting 'instakill' as coloquial as in really fast (under a second), as opposed to before the sprite appears; realized this after my last ascend when I got to like 200-something running juggernaut and combo count was like ~86 or something because DPS was killing stuff before it could even be clicked and got 'back' to where I was significantly faster.

Right now I have...
Bhaal 35
Chronos 15
Dora 35
Fragsworth 50
Juggernaut 25
Mammon 50
Mimzee 50
Morgulis 5053

max
Atman
dogcog
fortuna


If I'm mainly running autoclick; what kind of "target levels" should I choose for the ancients I have?

I'm not really planning on getting any new ones anytime soon, I'll get solomon at some point, but once I have the enough HS sitting around to put into him to level to any meaningful capacity as well as get good 'returns' based on average run HS gains

I know about the optimal purchase order calculator/spreadsheet thing, but don't really know what good targets are. I read some of the existing material; the main takeaway was juggernaut = fragsworth/5; and... everything else was relative to the idle ancients; so I'm guessing that was more idle oriented so not really useful for me.

You guys seem to be pretty experienced with clicker heroes; are there leveling target reccomendations you guys could make for my situation?

[Saltar]

Originally posted by larry:

Right now I have...
Bhaal 35
Chronos 15
Dora 35
Fragsworth 50
Juggernaut 25
Mammon 50
Mimzee 50
Morgulis 5053

max
Atman
dogcog
fortuna


If I'm mainly running autoclick; what kind of "target levels" should I choose for the ancients I have?

I'm not really planning on getting any new ones anytime soon, I'll get solomon at some point, but once I have the enough HS sitting around to put into him to level to any meaningful capacity as well as get good 'returns' based on average run HS gains

I know about the optimal purchase order calculator/spreadsheet thing, but don't really know what good targets are. I read some of the existing material; the main takeaway was juggernaut = fragsworth/5; and... everything else was relative to the idle ancients; so I'm guessing that was more idle oriented so not really useful for me.

You guys seem to be pretty experienced with clicker heroes; are there leveling target reccomendations you guys could make for my situation?

I find this:
http://clickerheroes.wikia.com/wiki/Walkthrough
and this
http://clickerheroes.wikia.com/wiki/Ancient_Formulas

quite useful. I was just going willy nilly and I was pretty much stopping in the same place every time. I actually think it's extremely useful to go idle until idle DPS slows to about 3 sec per monster without you being able to buy any x25 upgrades, because of the bonus gold. Then I switch to autoclicker.

Here's what I'm running. Big difference I see with yours is you absolutely want Kumawakamaru and Vaagur and to max them, that will speed up runs dramatically. If you want to avoid idle completely, then start dumping into mimzee and mammon, finish maxing dora:

Ancients: Morgulis (254163); Mammon (1118); Argaiv (864); Mimzee (812); Siyalatas (645); Libertas (644); Pluto (331); Bhaal (311); Fragsworth (311); Solomon (300); Iris (195); Juggernaut (71); Dora (50); Fortuna (40); Hecatoncheir (30); Berserker (30); Sniperino (30); Kleptos (30); Energon (30); Dogcog (25); Atman (25); Bubos (25); Chronos (22); Vaagur (15); Revolc (15); Khrysos (10); Kumawakamaru (5);

Gilded heroes: Tree Beast (1),Ivan (1),Brittany (1),Fisherman (1),Betty (1),Samurai (1),Leon (1),Seer (1),Alexa (1),Natalia (1),Mercedes (1),Bobby (1),Broyle (1),Sir George (1),Midas (1),Referi (1),Abaddon (1),Ma Zhu (1),Amenhotep (1),Beastlord (1), Athena (1),Aphrodite (1),Shinatobe (1),Grant (1),Frostleaf (104),DreadKnight (8),Atlas (7),Terra (8),Phthalo (9),Orntchya (9),Lilin (10),Cadmia (10),Alabaster (8),Astraea (5)

Hero Souls: 0, Souls spent on Ancients: 3284851, Total Souls: 3284851, Highest Zone: 2116, Current Zone: 1213, Ascensions: 92Time since start: 32 days, 21 hours, 52 minutes, 17 seconds, Time since ascension: 0 days, 0 hours, 43 minutes, 20 seconds

[larry]

Originally posted by Sir Saltar:

Originally posted by larry:

Right now I have...
Bhaal 35
Chronos 15
Dora 35
Fragsworth 50
Juggernaut 25
Mammon 50
Mimzee 50
Morgulis 5053

max
Atman
dogcog
fortuna


If I'm mainly running autoclick; what kind of "target levels" should I choose for the ancients I have?

I'm not really planning on getting any new ones anytime soon, I'll get solomon at some point, but once I have the enough HS sitting around to put into him to level to any meaningful capacity as well as get good 'returns' based on average run HS gains

I know about the optimal purchase order calculator/spreadsheet thing, but don't really know what good targets are. I read some of the existing material; the main takeaway was juggernaut = fragsworth/5; and... everything else was relative to the idle ancients; so I'm guessing that was more idle oriented so not really useful for me.

You guys seem to be pretty experienced with clicker heroes; are there leveling target reccomendations you guys could make for my situation?

I find this:
http://clickerheroes.wikia.com/wiki/Walkthrough
and this
http://clickerheroes.wikia.com/wiki/Ancient_Formulas

quite useful. I was just going willy nilly and I was pretty much stopping in the same place every time. I actually think it's extremely useful to go idle until idle DPS slows to about 3 sec per monster without you being able to buy any x25 upgrades, because of the bonus gold. Then I switch to autoclicker.

Here's what I'm running. Big difference I see with yours is you absolutely want Kumawakamaru and Vaagur and to max them, that will speed up runs dramatically. If you want to avoid idle completely, then start dumping into mimzee and mammon, finish maxing dora:

Ancients: Morgulis (254163); Mammon (1118); Argaiv (864); Mimzee (812); Siyalatas (645); Libertas (644); Pluto (331); Bhaal (311); Fragsworth (311); Solomon (300); Iris (195); Juggernaut (71); Dora (50); Fortuna (40); Hecatoncheir (30); Berserker (30); Sniperino (30); Kleptos (30); Energon (30); Dogcog (25); Atman (25); Bubos (25); Chronos (22); Vaagur (15); Revolc (15); Khrysos (10); Kumawakamaru (5);

Gilded heroes: Tree Beast (1),Ivan (1),Brittany (1),Fisherman (1),Betty (1),Samurai (1),Leon (1),Seer (1),Alexa (1),Natalia (1),Mercedes (1),Bobby (1),Broyle (1),Sir George (1),Midas (1),Referi (1),Abaddon (1),Ma Zhu (1),Amenhotep (1),Beastlord (1), Athena (1),Aphrodite (1),Shinatobe (1),Grant (1),Frostleaf (104),DreadKnight (8),Atlas (7),Terra (8),Phthalo (9),Orntchya (9),Lilin (10),Cadmia (10),Alabaster (8),Astraea (5)

Hero Souls: 0, Souls spent on Ancients: 3284851, Total Souls: 3284851, Highest Zone: 2116, Current Zone: 1213, Ascensions: 92Time since start: 32 days, 21 hours, 52 minutes, 17 seconds, Time since ascension: 0 days, 0 hours, 43 minutes, 20 seconds

Thanks you for the detailed information!

RE:vaagur

I understand the function of vaagur, but the thing is the way I play is not explicitly 'idle' in the way that can benefit from the idle bonuses, but I'm not really "there" most of the time. As in; In previous run, I got to like 1090 without using any skills even though it took a while but just checking in every now and then and using the scientific notation thing to buy any batch I can for eX-2 when my gold total is eX;

for example this run currently at 936, have Ye82 in bank, so I'm buying z+click for everyone where the base cost is e80

Or when I leave for a few hours and come back and ctrl+click everyone 3 or 4 times, and then it's good to go for a few hundred more floors

(last run began sometime yesterday night after last ascend, I got cid to 200 (and nobody else; more of as an experiment) and came back a while later stuck on 200-something. then I got treebeast through frostleaf to 100/125 for final skill, and went to watch a movie. came back stuck at 400-something; got dread knight maxed and treebeast thru samurai to 1500ish, went to sleep, woke up this morning, stuck at 600-something, got tera to 200, beast thru samurai to 2.5k+, leon thru frostleaf 2.5k-1.5k, went out go get coffee, came back, floor 920 or so, and before my 'last ascend' I got to 1100 no stops by buying upgrades more regularly over the course of about an hour and a half)

I'm not really sure if vaagur would be useful since I wouldn't be using him that much since it is basically "idle" most of the time in that I'm not there to trigger skills; and I really only use skills at the end of runs to squeeze out a few more levels; the critical thing (1 boss), reload, (energize+superclick), critical again to pass 3 bosses that I couldn't normally, then ascend.

RE: kuma;

I see how kuma could be great in VASTLY accelerating run speed, and getting deep for primals fast; but wouldn't there be a massive gold loss? At my level anyways.

Like in terms of the kind of HS we're talking about your total spent is orders of magnitude beyond mine which is like 24k according to the respec option (I'm not sure if your # is from respec or from that savefile data extractor)

So basically, I don't think my gold boosting ancients are *yet* at the level where they can offset the gold loss from cutting level length

That being said;

I appreciate and understand the recommendation and will get Kuma eventually, as soon as I have the "infrastructure" to support 'em (more mimzee and mammon levels)

That should make it much much faster go get more HS

Right now, I have (I had an ascend between the last post and this post, and am about to ascend + QA again for about 11kHS now)

Bhaal 60
Chronos 15
Fragsworth 60
Juggernaut 35
Mammon 80
Mimzee 100
Morgulis 12000

Max
Atman
Dogcog
Dora
Fortuna

So I'm probably not going to get any new ancients this run because next summon is 1200, and solomon is there and I want to get him eventually, but I'll put kuma next on purchase order

I guess I'll put it like this

Next ancient purchase goals/prerequisite
1. Solomon/10kHS in a single run (my 11k this time would be 5k+6kQA, so basically once I have a 20k HS lump sum from ascend+qa once reaching some higher floor)
2. Kuma/Solomon 100/Mimzee200/Mammon200/Frags100/Juggernaut100/Bhaal100 (so I don't want to cut monsters per level until I have substantially more damage and gold boosting)
3. ??? Doesn't really matter now, that's kind of far off in the future, probably argaiv once I get to the point of being able to cost-effectively re-gild and can consolidate them

I've bookmarked that walkthrough page, looks like some interesting and useful stuff in there.

Quick question about your gild distribution;

did you spec DIRECTLY into frostleaf? or did you spec into samurai or treebeast or someone else initially?

At what point (per run HS income) does it begin to become viable (cost wise) to use the gilding option? Like so far I mainly just use the 'de-gild' option after each ascend if some poor damage heroes get gilded in the last run (betty, midas, abbadon, amo)

Thanks for all the infor and the helpful page!

[MISTERAMD]

Euh.. I just started like 2h ~ 3h ago and I'm at level 44. 45 takes too long, so I'm idling on level 44 to get enough gold for upgrades.

[larry]

Originally posted by MISTERAMD:

Euh.. I just started like 2h ~ 3h ago and I'm at level 44. 45 takes too long, so I'm idling on level 44 to get enough gold for upgrades.

early runs, first run especially take FOREVER. You should push until 100 at a bare minimum and a little further until you get at least 10HS, then ascend if it is 'too' slow for you, your next run will be double speed.

But you should probably stick with it until you get to 139 before first ascend, anyways, after you ascend the next runs will be much faster and you can get deeper and deeper easier

I've ascended like ~10 times, and I can get to floor 200+ with cid ONLY (only click, no dps), and I am by ANY means still in "early game". the very first run is the slowest and hardest, but it really gets much much easier after you ascend, "how much easier" does depend a bit on how deep you get before ascending though; like I would NOT reccomend ascending right at 100 after you get your first hero soul and maybe 2 or 3 from hero levels by the time you get there; because 2 or 3 HS gives you 20 or 30% dps boost which is better than nothing but not by much. You should stick with it until you get deep enough to have whatever you feel will be a substantial boost for the next run

[Saltar]

Originally posted by larry:

Originally posted by Sir Saltar:

I guess I'll put it like this

Next ancient purchase goals/prerequisite
1. Solomon/10kHS in a single run (my 11k this time would be 5k+6kQA, so basically once I have a 20k HS lump sum from ascend+qa once reaching some higher floor)
2. Kuma/Solomon 100/Mimzee200/Mammon200/Frags100/Juggernaut100/Bhaal100 (so I don't want to cut monsters per level until I have substantially more damage and gold boosting)
3. ??? Doesn't really matter now, that's kind of far off in the future, probably argaiv once I get to the point of being able to cost-effectively re-gild and can consolidate them

I've bookmarked that walkthrough page, looks like some interesting and useful stuff in there.

Quick question about your gild distribution;

did you spec DIRECTLY into frostleaf? or did you spec into samurai or treebeast or someone else initially?

At what point (per run HS income) does it begin to become viable (cost wise) to use the gilding option? Like so far I mainly just use the 'de-gild' option after each ascend if some poor damage heroes get gilded in the last run (betty, midas, abbadon, amo)

Thanks for all the infor and the helpful page!

ref: vaagur, he's even especially useful when you go do other things and come back. A lot of times I'll play another game and tab over periodically to level up, much like you do. vaagur allows you to get an energized dark ritual every hour (so a 10% dps increase every hour) and you can also just pop all the skills every time you wander over to it. Something to consider.

ref: kuma, yes, there is a gold penalty, although consider that you can sit and farm monsters at a higher gold drop rate than those at a lower gold drop rate (essentially also saving you time) and the response below on your goals

I think your first goal is perfect. Your second goal should be solomon to 100, and then mammon and mimzee way, way higher ratio wize than your others. Get them up to at least 500-600 after sol to 100. Then it's safe to max Kuma (the gold drop from chests will far exceed any of the gold lost from having fewer minions in each level). Your runs will speed up dramatically, especially if you have vaagur to pop every 15 minutes or hour. Goal 3 should probably be dumping some serious souls into Morgulis. I saw a lot of bad things about him on the internet, so I ignored him for a while, but when I went to those guides and saw the ratios, I started pumping him up by the tens of thousands and did notice a dramatic decrease in difficulty. My idle went from 1200 to 1400 (before I switch to autoclicker) pretty seamlessly.

I went straight into Frostleaf, although I think it was a mistake. It did slow down my early game a bit. If I had had more morgulis (to the point where I could easily instakill enough to buy hundreds and hundreds of frostleafs quickly) it wouldn't have been a mistake. If you're going to do it early, I'd say go with the samurai and when you go up a few orders of magnitude, swap it over to frostleaf.

When you start making 20-30K hero souls per hour (by contrast I make ~100K per hour now) it makes sense to spend one easy run's worth of souls on regilding, although you also may want to wait until you have a couple hundred levels in argaiv... the cost to respec without improved soul damage may not even be worth it at a 50% bonus per.

Also, getting Iris and getting her up to at least 98 or so is helpful, as you can't even get any hero souls in the first 100 levels. If you want until there's a ruby dropper up before you respec you get gold based on the highest level you have access to, so you ascend, click on the bird thing, and then you can buy hundreds of units off the bat and you're already well underway in your next run. Later, you'll want to push that higher even though you miss hero souls, because the handful you're missing in levels 100-600 aren't even worthwhile.

And don't let solomon's cost dissuade you, failure to move him past 100 was what was holding me back. I just got him to 500 and the extra 400% soul drop is critical to the HS income, which is what lets you upgrade everything else and keep that forward momentum.

[larry]

Originally posted by Sir Saltar:

ref: vaagur, he's even especially useful when you go do other things and come back. A lot of times I'll play another game and tab over periodically to level up, much like you do. vaagur allows you to get an energized dark ritual every hour (so a 10% dps increase every hour) and you can also just pop all the skills every time you wander over to it. Something to consider.

ref: kuma, yes, there is a gold penalty, although consider that you can sit and farm monsters at a higher gold drop rate than those at a lower gold drop rate (essentially also saving you time) and the response below on your goals

I think your first goal is perfect. Your second goal should be solomon to 100, and then mammon and mimzee way, way higher ratio wize than your others. Get them up to at least 500-600 after sol to 100. Then it's safe to max Kuma (the gold drop from chests will far exceed any of the gold lost from having fewer minions in each level). Your runs will speed up dramatically, especially if you have vaagur to pop every 15 minutes or hour. Goal 3 should probably be dumping some serious souls into Morgulis. I saw a lot of bad things about him on the internet, so I ignored him for a while, but when I went to those guides and saw the ratios, I started pumping him up by the tens of thousands and did notice a dramatic decrease in difficulty. My idle went from 1200 to 1400 (before I switch to autoclicker) pretty seamlessly.

I went straight into Frostleaf, although I think it was a mistake. It did slow down my early game a bit. If I had had more morgulis (to the point where I could easily instakill enough to buy hundreds and hundreds of frostleafs quickly) it wouldn't have been a mistake. If you're going to do it early, I'd say go with the samurai and when you go up a few orders of magnitude, swap it over to frostleaf.

When you start making 20-30K hero souls per hour (by contrast I make ~100K per hour now) it makes sense to spend one easy run's worth of souls on regilding, although you also may want to wait until you have a couple hundred levels in argaiv... the cost to respec without improved soul damage may not even be worth it at a 50% bonus per.

Also, getting Iris and getting her up to at least 98 or so is helpful, as you can't even get any hero souls in the first 100 levels. If you want until there's a ruby dropper up before you respec you get gold based on the highest level you have access to, so you ascend, click on the bird thing, and then you can buy hundreds of units off the bat and you're already well underway in your next run. Later, you'll want to push that higher even though you miss hero souls, because the handful you're missing in levels 100-600 aren't even worthwhile.

And don't let solomon's cost dissuade you, failure to move him past 100 was what was holding me back. I just got him to 500 and the extra 400% soul drop is critical to the HS income, which is what lets you upgrade everything else and keep that forward momentum.

Thank you!

takeaway;

Goal 1; 10k HS run
Result; buy solomon

Goal 2; Solomon 100, Mammon 500, Mimzee 500, Morg 50k (will level other +Dps guys like bhaal,frags,juggernaut to rounded 100 levels probably something like bhaal/frags 300 juggernaut 100)
Result; buy Kuma, max

Goal 3; Morg 100k? (I'm assuming this should be about the same as the time I can make 20k hs runs)
Result; start gilding samurai

Goal 4; Samurai X* gild?
Result; get iris, argaiv

Beyond that; vaagur and bubos at some point which purchasing and dumping points in them is cheap via 'average run hs income'

*What kind of gild level would you recommend getting consolidating to?

Anyways

I did another ascend since last post, at 1124 now, going to push until I need to use all skills to push through 3 or so bosses, then will ascend again (+7528 banked atm)

Current ancient distribution

Bhaal 72
Chronos 15
Fragsworth 75
Juggernaut 35
Mammon 100
Mimzee 100
Morgulis 20065
Atman max
dogcog max
dora max
fortuna max

Will ascend again and probably 2 or 3 more ascends and boosting dps guys till I hit my 10k/run goal and have a QA charged to use in conjunction and get solomon and dump points there.

EDIT:
update;

I *tweaked* the plan a little,

did another ascend, and noticed I'm 5 rubies away from a 24kHS ascend

so bought solomon earlier than expected

Bhaal 75
Chronos 15 (haven't really been leveling this guy, or planning on it since I ascend when bosses start getting slow anyways)
Fragsworth 75
Juggernaut 35
Mammon 100
Mimzee 100
Morgulis 20101
Solomon 50

Max
Atman
Dogcog
Dora
Fortuna

Will continue with the initial plan basically
Solomon 100, Mammon/Mimzee 500, Frag/Bhaal 300, Juggernaut 100, morg 50k
before getting kuma

[Saltar]

Originally posted by larry:

Originally posted by Sir Saltar:

takeaway;

Goal 1; 10k HS run
Result; buy solomon

Goal 2; Solomon 100, Mammon 500, Mimzee 500, Morg 50k (will level other +Dps guys like bhaal,frags,juggernaut to rounded 100 levels probably something like bhaal/frags 300 juggernaut 100)
Result; buy Kuma, max

Goal 3; Morg 100k? (I'm assuming this should be about the same as the time I can make 20k hs runs)
Result; start gilding samurai

Goal 4; Samurai X* gild?
Result; get iris, argaiv

Beyond that; vaagur and bubos at some point which purchasing and dumping points in them is cheap via 'average run hs income'

*What kind of gild level would you recommend getting consolidating to?

Anyways

I did another ascend since last post, at 1124 now, going to push until I need to use all skills to push through 3 or so bosses, then will ascend again (+7528 banked atm)

Current ancient distribution

Bhaal 72
Chronos 15
Fragsworth 75
Juggernaut 35
Mammon 100
Mimzee 100
Morgulis 20065
Atman max
dogcog max
dora max
fortuna max

Will ascend again and probably 2 or 3 more ascends and boosting dps guys till I hit my 10k/run goal and have a QA charged to use in conjunction and get solomon and dump points there.

BTW, rather than typing it out, if you go to the settings screen, hit save (you can cancel the popup window, it puts the data on your clipboard), and then paste it here, it will automatically break out all your guilding and ancients, etc.

http://lilylicious.deadmano.com/

Goal 2, I would change juggernaut and just leave him down at 20 or something for now. He's continually growning, so as long as you have 1 you're getting a good benefit. Heck, I think mine is still at 20. You can take Baal and Frags higher though, since they only cost "n" as opposed to juggernaut's n^1.5

Goal 3, I would say 100K morg, and argaiv

Goal 4, Get argaiv to 300-500 and then start regilding. The bonus to improving all gilds with hero souls as opposed to rearranging them is probably still better at your point. You might as well move them all to him with the 80 point moves. I left one on everyone else because the skins are cool, but totally unnecessary for efficiency.

Goal 5, Mammon-Mimzee-Frags-Baal 800, Morg 250k, Jugg 100, Sol 500. Then probably shift from samurai to frosteaf, as your dps and gold income will easily carry you forward, and you can start investing in Iris to make it go more quickly.

I forgot you didn't have bubos, you actually probably want to get him sooner (like between goal 2 and 3) and max him. 50% less boss health for 1+2+3+...25 is essentially a double damage boost against bosses for a pretty cheap amount. I just double checked your list against mine and that will be all the important ones. The extension times to the activateable skills are actually quite useful, but they can wait.