Which skill should I energize?

[DeDeDeStruction]

Currently I've been using the energize with the super clicks skill to boost my clickstorm to beat bosses, but is there a better way to use the energize?

[iLikeSheep]

The super clicks skill is the best one to energize. The highest DPS will come if you do it in the following order: 8-7-1-2-3-4-5.

[DeDeDeStruction]

oh, alright thank you, I will try that next time

[Strato]

No, this is wrong. The highest dps will always come from energizing Clickstorm. Always 8-1.
This will also boost Juggernaut twice as fast.

[Kinne]

Energize lucky strikes. You'll get WAY more damage with 100% crit even before you get bhaal

[DeDeDeStruction]

Would it work if I used energize for lucky strikes, then reload energize, then energize clickstorm? and thanks Strato and Kinnebelle for your comments, I might try both and see how my Dps changes with each tactic

[Strato]

you would reload lucky strikes and not energize

energizing lucky strike is probably the worst one, because it only gives you 91% crit, since your basic crit is already 9%. so the effect doesn't even double properly, you're wasting those 9%.

[DeDeDeStruction]

Originally posted by Strato:

you would reload lucky strikes and not energize

Oh yeah, because energize doubles your next skill, thanks Strato

[Kinne]

Originally posted by Strato:

you would reload lucky strikes and not energize

energizing lucky strike is probably the worst one, because it only gives you 91% crit, since your basic crit is already 9%. so the effect doesn't even double properly, you're wasting those 9%.

Clickstorm: +10 clicks per second to your manual 10 clicks per second. 2x damage
Energized clickstorm: Manual 10 clicks + 20 skill clicks per second. 3x damage
Superclicks: +200% damage. 3x damage
Energized superclicks: +400% damage. 5x damage.
No lucky strikes: Average click will do 2.53x your click damage
Lucky strikes: +50% crit chance. Raises your damage by 4.36x without Bhaal
Energized lucky strikes: Raises your damage by 7.11x without Bhaal
MY energized lucky strikes WITH Bhaal: Slightly less than 665.2x damage

Doing the real math in excel. Will get back to you

Click damage at 100%, no Bhaal. With a 9% crit chance and 18x crit damage, you'll do an average of 253 damage in 100 clicks, or 2.53x per click.
Lucky strikes 59% crit chance, 11.03x per click average.
Energized lucky strikes 100% crit chance (obviously). 18x damage (obviously).
11.03/2.53=4.36
18/2.53=7.11
1683/2.53=665.2

So as you can see, even if you don't have Bhaal, energizing lucky strikes will get you MUCH more damage than energizing clickstorm or superclicks. Even a normal lucky strikes increases your average click damage almost as much as energized superclicks. And if you DO have Bhaal, this becomes unparalleled damage.

[Strato]

I can't really follow your math completley, I think you're mixing up realtive benefits here.
let's just assume you don't click at all. (i also doubt you can keep up 10clicks/s for at least 90 seconds) but anyway:

Clickstorm no energize: 1x
Clickstorm + energize: 2x -> which means 100% increase

Superclicks no energize: 3x
Superclicks + energize: 5x -> which means 67% increase

Lucky Strikes no energize: 11.03x
Lucky Strikes + energize: 18x -> which means 63% increase

Now it comes down to manually clicking: if you don't click at all, just like above, energizing Clickstorm is by far the best. the breaking point is at about 5 clicks per seconds, where Clickstorm gives 67%, just like Superclicks.

If you include Bhaal:
(for example I have him at Lv 1440 which means my muliplier is at 3906x

Lucky Strikes no Energize: 2304x
Lucky Strikes + energize: 3906x -> ~69% increase.
now you can get Bhaal as high as you want it will never get above 70%.


and that is the whole magic behind it.
And since many people tend to be lazy and only click then and there and never make an average of at least 5 clicks per second you better energize Clickstorm.
I don't click at all, i activate it and then come back 150s later, because thats just how long my Clickstorm goes.
Energizing Lucky Strikes or Superclicks isn't that big of a difference, if you have Bhaal Lucky Strikes will eventually become better than Superclicks (doesn't need a high Bhaal Lv)

[Bearus]

Something worth knowing, Super clicks stacks with itself, so if you 7 - 9 - 7, you will get your click damage multiplied twice.

[Rock Olympa]

my order is 237-8-1-54
double the clickstorm.
try it and write here if double clickstorm is the best or not.

[Kinne]

If you're not going to click manually, you're only getting 66% damage from your skills. You COULD be getting 30 clicks per second. But instead you're getting 20. If you're going to waste your skills anyway, then it really doesn't matter what you use energize on, because you're wasting it no matter what. If you're not clicking, you're not using skills. If you're using skills, you are clicking. End of story. You should only not be clicking from the time after you get Siyalatas to before you get Jugg, Frags, and Bhaal. Before Siyalatas, click. After Jugg, Frags, and Bhaal, let Siyalatas idle you to the highest zone he can handle, then start clicking to add another 300-500 zones before you ascend.

If you're at the part of the game where you ARE clicking, Energizing clickstorm is only a 50% increase. 20 clicks per second normally, 30 clicks with energize. Meaning that the only time clickstorm is the best skill to energize is when you shouldn't be using skills at all.

But if you're going to make your skills useful by clicking, the consensus seems to be lucky strikes. 50% increase by energizing clickstorm, 67% increase by energizing superclicks, and 70% by energizing lucky strikes.

Remember: If you aren't clicking, you're only doing 50% damage (66% if you energize clickstorm). If you are clicking, then you get more damage by energizing lucky strikes.

ECs: 100% base damage+200% superclicks*1100% crit*20 ECs=66,000% per second
Clicking ECs: 100% base damage+200% superclicks*1100% crit*10+20 ECs=99,000% per second
ESC: 100% base damage+400% superclicks*1100% crit*10 Cs=55,000% per second
Clicking ESC: 100% base damage+400% superclicks*1100% crit*10+10 Cs=110,000% per second
ELS: 100% base damage+200% superclicks*1800% crit*10 Cs=54,000% per second
Clicking ELS: 100% base damage+200% superclicks*1800% crit*10+10=108000% per second


So what to energize?
With Bhaal:
Clicking lucky strikes>clicking superclicks>clicking clickstorm>lucky strikes>clickstorm>superclicks
(Notice how no clicking clickstorm is the second worst. The only worse way to use energize among these three skills is to use it on superclicks and not click manually)
Without Bhaal:
Clicking superclicks>clicking lucky strikes>clicking clickstorm>clickstorm>lucky strikes>superclicks
(Clickstorm is the best no click option if you don't have Bhaal, but if you're not clicking, you shouldn't be using skills anyway)

Do you have Bhaal?
No? Energize superclicks.
Yes? Energize lucky strikes.