Trapped in a clan!

[Fizban Frobozz]

I joined a clan that only had one person in it. He was doing a LOT more damage than I was. He left the clan and made me leader but the immortal is so far out of reach I cant do anything. There is no option to leave or disband so it seems he trapped me here. Surely this can't be the way the system is supposed to work. How can I get out?

[philni]

Clan Tab, Options, Leave Clan?

[sv]

lolol

[Fizban Frobozz]

Sorry, no. The only option under Options is to appoint another clan master.

[Fizban Frobozz]

God I hope not. All it does is cause people to lay in wait for an unsuspecting person to join and get trapped, then once enough people know about it there won't be any growing clans because nobody will join a clan with 1 person again.

You ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up, dev's. Fix it fast.

[Fizban Frobozz]

No, I reject that entirely. Nowhere on the Steam store page does this say early access. This is a fully released product.

More updates are being worked on? Great, will likely keep people playing and attract new players. Good all around.

Dev's made a mistake? No problem, they're human and are working on a fix. Fine.

But excuse us for being beta despite not mentioning anywhere on the platform that drew me to the game? ♥♥♥♥ that.

[Fizban Frobozz]

You can post all the links you want to, it won't validate this practice.

If you want to be up front about the state of your game to the people you want to play, and hopefully pay for, your beta game, then clearly mark it as a beta game. Simple.

If you mislead the customers by not disclosing the true state of the game then you cannot after the fact say it's your fault for playing a beta, be glad we let you. Paraphrasing, obviously.

I'm not at all upset and I have no respect for dishonourable business practices.

http://store.steampowered.com/app/363970

[Fizban Frobozz]

The fact there are a few places where the patch notes have a number less than one does not constitute any sort of work-in-process disclamer.

Here's the description of the game from the store page, which does not contain any sort of disclaimer:

"About This Game
Ever wondered what one quadrillion damage per second feels like? Wonder no more! Embark on your quest to attain it today!

Start out by clicking on the monster to kill them, and get their gold. Spend that gold on hiring new heroes and get more damage. The more damage you deal, the more gold you will get. Feel the power as you grow exponentially and become the greatest ever!

Hire 35 unique heroes to help you do damage without having to click! Meet legendary figures from myth and legend, such as Athena, Amenhotep, King Midas, and more! They will all lend their sword to your cause, for a cost.

These guys' damage per second makes your MMO characters look like kindergarteners. Spend your hard-earned loot on upgrading them to gain special powers to aid you in getting even more gold!

Click your way to defeat powerful monsters. Fight over 100 different monsters, all beautifully drawn and animated.

Watch out for the bosses!

Need to do the laundry? Give the puppy a shower? No worries! Your heroes will farm monsters and automatically collect the gold while you're gone, even when the game is closed. But don't forget to come back and spend all that sweet gold on new heroes and upgrades!"

[Fizban Frobozz]

It get's into dishonourable when the company defense is It's your own fault for playing a beta, be glad we let you. Mentioning a worse thing, doesn't make your thing not bad.

But really, I've no desire to go around and around with you. Keep on misleading and have a nice life.

[Defendor]

I see you as a Clicker Heroes fanboy (and mod) who always comes as a knight in shining armor to try to save your fair maiden Clicker Heroes from any accusations of wrong doing no matter what. That's my opinion.

I agree with OP. Once you start having a paying model for your game, you are out of beta and have enterered the real market, beta is no longer a valid excuse for dumb things in the game. Updating bugs and errors with patches is a good thing though.

Games can't be allowed to stay in Beta indefinitely to avoid complaints and bad reviews. It's a bad practice in the market that we as consumers need to react to.

[Defendor]

Originally posted by Froggy Fraggelnos:

So if I understood you correctly, as soon as a game has a monetary exchange, it is out of beta?

Yeah. The line has to be drawn somewhere (in my opinion) and that is a good place to draw it.

Or the game Rimworld that is purchasable for $30, but is still in Alpha 12. I suppose they are not allowed to have any "dumb things in their game" either.

They are allowed to have dumb things in their games, but they wouldn't be able to use "beta" as an excuse.

I am of the opinion that games should not stay in Alpha or Beta indefinitely either. But that does not let them avoid complaints or bad reviews.

But it does though, because the argument "it's still in development" will be there as an invincible shield against everything as long as the game is in an eternal beta. There is almost no drawback from never going out of beta, which is annoying.

AAA titles often do the complete opposite, and that is even more annoying. They release complete games when they are buggy as hell and even unplayable, the first customers are almost like beta testers until the developers have released those first major bugfixes.

[Defendor]

Originally posted by Froggy Fraggelnos:

Originally posted by Defendor:

They are allowed to have dumb things in their games, but they wouldn't be able to use "beta" as an excuse.

This would remove everything that is not a complete game from the market. Or make everything free, which does not generate the developers any extra cash. Which many indiedevelopers usually do not tend to have an abundance of.
I might have misunderstood you, but what I get from your reasoning is that we should remove all games from the market that is in Alpha or Beta, or Early access. or make all of those games free. Which would be a sure fire way of removing pretty much every indiedeveloper out there.

You missunderstood me. I'm talking about what things should be called and defined as. I'm not talking about banning or removing anything.

[Defendor]

One last try: I'm not talking about "not allowing" games to be sold, banning them or removing them. I'm talking about what they should be called... Only how to describe them. Get it now?

[Defendor]

Maybe I phrased myself a little clumpsy, I don't know. I hope you understand what I meant from my last post at least? Based of your last post, something is not really getting into your head, but I will just leave this discussion here in a missunderstood state. It's not the end of the world for me.

[Zeune]

Originally posted by Defendor:

I see you as a Clicker Heroes fanboy (and mod) who always comes as a knight in shining armor to try to save your fair maiden Clicker Heroes from any accusations of wrong doing no matter what. That's my opinion.

I agree with OP. Once you start having a paying model for your game, you are out of beta and have enterered the real market, beta is no longer a valid excuse for dumb things in the game. Updating bugs and errors with patches is a good thing though.

Games can't be allowed to stay in Beta indefinitely to avoid complaints and bad reviews. It's a bad practice in the market that we as consumers need to react to.

what about hearthstone? While it was in closed and open beta the game had a form of purchasing cards.

[Rogue]

There is a way out but it require save editing.

To do this go to: https://www.itshax.com/Clicker-Heroes/pro-mode#page-0 and import save.
Once decoded, find the "uniqueId" value and change the second last digit. Now scroll up and copy the encoded save and import that to your game. Now check the clan tab and it wll ask for you name. You will no longer be in a clan.