Tip for new players and old

[Ace]

When you play, make sure you only gild Treebeast, and level him up only when you get higher than 100x gilded bonus to him (currently I have him gilded 372x), you will notice what I am talking about. So be sure to work up Treebeast with high gilded points, and keep leveling him up. And other Heroes level up to 200. Next, when you get hero souls, only spend them on Ancients that are good.... the good starter ancients are the following:

Argaiv
Atman
Bubos
Chronos
Dogcog
Dora
Libertas
Mammon
Mimzee
Morgulis
Revolc
Siyalatas
Solomon
Vaagur

After you get them level them up, the ones you will be mostly leveling are Morgulis, Solomon, Argaiv

So with these you will be stronger, and be able to plow through levels fast, and the gold you will get, you will be able to level up Treebeast 100 at a time, and 25 when you get to harder levels... ascend if you have have to do 1 point into treebeast at a time and the levels are not moving fast anymore, then use the hero souls you gain to level up ancients, and repeat the process. Its funny this game is called clicker heroes but you really do not need to click once you get powerful and fast kills per level from DPS.

[NomiSaltium]

You do realize that your post implies that we should put all our gilds on Treebeast, even when there are more efficient heroes? I mean, it has been proven before that Masked Samurai is the most efficient hero in the early-game until you get Atlas to level 800.

As for Ancients, after transcending, I get 2 QAs, then I get Siyalatas and Libertas (and Solomon if I'm lucky), followed by Mammon, Mimzee, Argaiv, Morgulis, Atman, Dogcog and Dora. I get some of the rest as I get farther. By the time I can spend at least 10 million HS, I would have summoned all the Ancients.

In short, your post is helpful in some ways, but it has some flaws. There are guides and lots of helpful information in the pinned threads that you might want to check out.

[Ace]

Treebeast has the highest damage per cost ratio, I max him out, and plow through 1500 levels in an hour, and get up to level 2199, I go higher when I have the hero souls put into those ancients.

[DesTroYer]

XD

[Ace]

Also, I notice that Treebeast is 450% increase in damage, all Heroes with 450% are good, but I get further in levels and faster with Treebeast. Don't knock it until you try it.

Edit: Treebeast right now I have at level 4300, and 1 hit killing bosses and monsters in .5 seconds or less at level 1600+ and his damage is 1.763e119.

[NomiSaltium]

Sure, a level 2400 Treebeast has a lot of DPS. However, a level 2300 Samurai has about 2.79 times more DPS than a level 2400 Treebeast for about 2.3 times the cost. (Might be slightly off on that one, but close enough)

2.79 / 2.3 = 1.21

This means that Samurai gives about 21% more DPS than Treebeast for the same amount of gold spent.

Proof with screenshots :

Treebeast : http://prntscr.com/btpnov
Samurai : http://prntscr.com/btpnub

Well, okay, they might not have the exact same cost per level in those screenshots, but the bonus DPS per level is so incredibly small at high levels that it makes little to no difference. And as I said earlier, it has been proven before that Samurai is more efficient than Treebeast.

Or you can completely ignore everything I said and pretend you're always right because you said so.

[Ace]

I know the damage is great in level comparison, but Treebeast I can level up to 5000+ and still plow away at the levels, and my damage is less for Samari because I done this before as a test, and the costs is greater for Samari, and I do not get as far in levels on him, I reach 2000's before I have to idle or rely on Mercenaries for Gold to level Treebeast up.

The damage for Treebeast is greater because right now I have him at 5050 and the Samari at 4925... the damage on Samari is less and the cost to upgrade them is different. After I ascend I will take screenshots and show you guys what I mean, I will gild both of them, 50% each and show you that Treebeasts damage is far greater per cost, because I can't get Samari to be same level as Treebeast, because its cheaper to level Treebeast.

[Lord Treant]

I've chosen to entertain the idea, and wish to show a breakdown. Before you argue that I had more hero souls with my gilds on Cadmia. Be advised it doesn't cost me that much in dps to even notice a difference when I gilded to Treebeast and then to Samurai.... Here are screenshots.


Treebeast

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=725787111

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=725787140

Samurai

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=725787152

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=725787170

Cadmia

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=725787069

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=725787090

[Ace]

Treebeast is cheaper to level and has greater damage by the time you are at level 1500 is what I am saying.

While Treebeast is level 5000, Samuri will be 4900, and Treebeasts damage will be greater because higher level. You can't get Samuri to be the same level as Treebeast when maxing out levels, so the damage for Treebeast is greater per cost and level, because Samuri is always going to be lower level than treebeast when leveling them because of the costs to level.

[Lord Treant]

Not neccessarily. The dps increments between levels are greater for the higher heros, so it will never balance out even if the costs were similar. Lower level heros give less increase per capita than the higher level ones. As you can see even at 5400 levels of Treebeast he was still 2 Zeroes away from matching Cadmia's damage at 1050. So even the fact I could of bought 3 levels of Treebeast it still would not of matched the 1 level in Cadmia I could of bought.

[Ace]

I am talking about cost per damage though, not same level comparisons, but the fact that you get more damage from Treebeast because you can level him higher.... I will show a comparison later to show what I am talking about. Plus since Treebeast is the first DPS hero, you can go faster at the begining and not take hours to play to get to Cadmia.

[Lord Treant]

I actually skip treebeast completely and only lvl 11 heroes before Cadmia even comes into play in less than a half hour. It all falls down to how fast you can grind gold. Treebeast becomes obsolete very quickly.

[Ace]

Nevermind, I been using treebeast as a way to level faster, but I guess I should revisit other options... but I still think Treebeast is the best cost per level option for people just starting.

[Lord Treant]

I did do one more test. I removed all of Cadmia's gilds and put Treebeast at a cost higher than Cadmia. Treebeast would gain 1e165 at a much higher cost for 1 level compared to Cadmia's 1 level at a much lower cost but gives 3e166.


http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=725810594

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=725810656

I won't argue the fact that Treebeast is good for lower levels, but when you hit mid to late game levels he will be outgunned by the time you can gild Atlas and above.

It becomes a matter of how fast you grind gold and how high/fast you can level the higher heroes. Like if I moved all my gilds from Cadmia to Moloch I would actually drop in damage because I can't level him to a point that his DPS would outgun Cadmia. But on same token I cannot deny he will be a ton better.

[Ace]

I am going to revist the Samurai, and see how far I get before the killing slows down for monsters. See if I reach 2000 before then and see if I get higher than 2199 level, since thats the highest level I been to.

[Sheldor666]

Push Samurai to lvl 4000 and see how he is strong in early game