Best skill to energize?

[Snickerbobble]

Besides DR and Reload, what's the best skill to energize?

I've been going with Energized Super Clicks for awhile but I realized Power Surge also doubles click damage as well as all DPS, so would that be better? Or would 100% critical chance end up giving me more DPS? ..Or Energized Clickstorm? Would that be better than Super Clicks, as it should double click damage either way, but also give more chance to crit? ..A lot to consider, so I'm not sure.

[xPaulius]

Most likely super click since when u double it its give you 400% more damage (also you could reload it and then have 600%) and I think it adds up to the critical dmg so thats pretty op

[Moon Flower]

Energize Dark Rituals.

[xPaulius]

Originally posted by Moon Flower:

Energize Dark Rituals.

He said that already

[Mirra]

Lucky Strikes

[Shurenai]

I don't play an active build, but i'd have to agree with Mirra, Lucky strikes. Power Surge is 200% bonus damage with energize, Super clicks is 400% with it, But When you're later in, Your critical click damage multiplier is 18x, 1800% damage boost if you have 100% crit rate. And it can be paired with the other abilities, so Base x 2 (Power Surge), then click damage x 3(Super Clicks) x 18(Lucky Strikes)..

Edit: Also just occured to me, Pretty sure there is an Ancient that increases Critical Click damage? If so, that'd further boost that 1800% by..well, however many HS you pump into that ancient. :P

[TinDragon]

If you're activating an active (clicking) skill, it's either Lucky Strikes or Clickstorm, because so much of your damage will rely on the fact that you're critting. (Do Lucky Strikes if you can click 3+ times a second manually, Clickstorm if you can't.) You could also energize Reload, which would allow you to do a 1-3-8-9-6 (wait for skills to end) 1-2-3-4-5-7 combo at the end of your run.

For idle players, Energize Dark Ritual and Reload (8-6-9 wait 8-9 wait and repeat) and nothing else.

[Moon Flower]

Originally posted by EF43:

Originally posted by Moon Flower:

Energize Dark Rituals.

He said that already

Oh, that's what DR means.

[Nemonical-Yves]

Originally posted by Shurenai:

Your critical click damage multiplier is 18x, 1800% damage boost if you have 100% crit rate.

Well, technically that's a 1700% boost. But as good as you make that sound, don't forget that non-energized lucky strikes give a big boost as well (which will also benefit from the other multipliers). You need to compare against that.

With normal lucky strikes (assuming all relevant upgrades are bought) and no Bhaal you get 1+0.59*17 = 11.03 times your non-critical click damage as average click damage. When energized, you get 18 times your non-critical click damage. So energizing lucky strikes will give you a bonus of 63.19%. When Bhaal is leveled up sufficiently, non-crits won't do anything worthwile and that bonus will grow to 69.49%.

Super clicks go from +200% (x3) to +400% (x5) when energized. That is an increase of 66.67%. That is exactly the average damage increase of energized lucky stikes over non-energized ones with a critical click multiplier of 41. That is the threshold, you will reach it at an effective Bhaal level (including relics) of 8.52. So if you are early in your game and don't have Bhaal yet (or you have him, but lower than this), super clicks are better to energize.

Let's look at powersurge as well. When energized, it is +200% (x3) instead of +100% (x2), so a 50% increase. Worse than super clicks, right? Not so fast. While lucky strikes and super click only increase (average) click damage directly, powersurge increases click damage indirectly by increasing dps. Early on (without Bhaal and Fragsworth) that is still a significant part of total damage.

If you have all upgrades, but neither Fragsworth nor Bhaal, a non-critical click does 3.5% of your dps. If you activate all skills and don't click manually, you get 10 clicks per second with 59% chance of x18.

Nothing energized: 2 * (1 + 3 * 0.035*(1+0.59*(18-1)) * 10) = 2516.3% of normal dps
Energized powersurge: 3 * (1 + 3 * 0.035*(1+0.59*(18-1)) * 10) = 3774.45% of normal dps
Energized super clicks: 2 * (1 + 5 * 0.035*(1+0.59*(18-1)) * 10) = 4060.5% of normal dps

Worse than super clicks indeed, powersurge is not worth energizing. But the difference is not as big as it might seem. When counting normal dps as well and not only click damage, the increase of energized super clicks over non-energized ones is only 61.37%. Basically, if you have powersurge relics that make it last longer than the other skills, it still could be worth it, but only then.

Clickstorm itself can be the best option as well, if you don't click manually or only very little, it can be more efficient to energize than lucky strikes, up to +100%. If you use an autoclicker, it will be worse than powersurge.

Short version: it depends, nothing is the "best" in any circumstance.

[Snickerbobble]

Huh.. I've been doing the math wrong this whole time I guess. I was under the impression Super Clicks multiplied by 200% than add 200%.

I should've mentioned though I have every ancient with Bhaal and Fragsworth leveled up decently high, and my skills last 60 seconds with Lucky Strikes lasting 100. I guess that means Lucky Strikes would be the best for me? I can click at about 8 times a second.

[Shurenai]

Originally posted by Snickerbobble:

Huh.. I've been doing the math wrong this whole time I guess. I was under the impression Super Clicks multiplied by 200% than add 200%.

I should've mentioned though I have every ancient with Bhaal and Fragsworth leveled up decently high, and my skills last 60 seconds with Lucky Strikes lasting 100. I guess that means Lucky Strikes would be the best for me? I can click at about 8 times a second.

Any percentage over 100% is technically inherently a multiplication, 200% is 2.00xbase

200% is not 200x though. :P

That said, the mouse over tooltip is "+200% click damage for 30 seconds", means it is adding (+)200% of your click damage to your final value, In total, 300% click damage. (Base = 100%, +200%)

(Pretty sure I got all that right..)

And yes, 8 clicks a second should be plenty to run lucky strikes over the other options. :)

[Kozstandysa]

Energize Reload, it is way better. Or energize lucky clicks, lucky clicks is the most important one I think

[BPoil]

I like to energize my 160s powersurge, on an idle build.

60s no progress followed by 100s everything dies.

I found a +50 level berserker relic you see.

[󰀀AleksyPL󰀒]

Super Clicks

[Lynuma]

Hitting any skill cancels the "idle" state as it's considered clicking for some reason (even if you use the hotkeys) and since it takes 30 seconds to return to "idle" you pretty much lose the point of any skill other than DR, especially if you have a very high idle bonus. When I lose mine after a click, damage on the monster just goes down to pretty much nothing. The health bar doesn't move at all until the 30 seconds are over and it returns to "idle".

I just go Energise > Dark Ritual > Reload (reduces cd for DR) and when Energise and Reload are ready again, use both in that order to reduce cooldown once more, but it only works that one time.

So, all depends on the build you have.

[Kozstandysa]

Originally posted by Sorceress Carole Leonhart:

Hitting any skill cancels the "idle" state as it's considered clicking for some reason (even if you use the hotkeys) and since it takes 30 seconds to return to "idle" you pretty much lose the point of any skill other than DR, especially if you have a very high idle bonus. When I lose mine after a click, damage on the monster just goes down to pretty much nothing. The health bar doesn't move at all until the 30 seconds are over and it returns to "idle".
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I used to thing like this until I actually tried it; I press all of them except for DR and EVERYTHING gets obliterated because of Lucky Strikes