checklist before transcendence, to jump start you after

[ViciousCareBear]

BACKGROUND
before you had a (simple ) check list before ascension. basically, you had to think to kep a clickable to jump start you progress.
now that iris is cosmo-dead, i aint useful anymore, BUT there are things, much more important, that you can do to accelerate your play post trascension this time.



DON T FORGET PREPARATION
actually, a trans has to be prepared several days in advance. most tricks require you to set things up the day before.
and remember:
- *first, save (manually) your game. its as good a time as ever. you never know what will go bad.*
- do not let your clan kill immortals at high level several days before, so the level drops and you can kill them with ease when the time comes. being in an inactive clan is a plus.
- stop claiming quest nor raid rewards. end trans raids aint that useful anyway, and you should take the habit of not jumping on rewards, to not botch your carefully prepared 2 days quest of which should be claimed after the trans.



CHECKLIST ITSELF

- keep unclaimed clan raid rewards: you can claim them (4 souls each) after reaching level 50 you may be able to claim today and yesterday s raid reward, so kill imperatively everyday without claiming. total : 8 HS, free.

- keep one or two Quick Ascensionss worth of rubies: use one immediately (7 souls at low levels) and maybe another at the end of first run when you have a decent QA value.

- keep some unclaimed, long duration, mercenary quest reward, especially with relics. (so those quests may be useful for once) : you can claim them after ascending once, which may be immediate with the previous trick. *COMBO*.

- dont forget to acend! your current ascension progress is lost if you dont validate it by ascending!



COMMENTS
- note that its less recommended to buy anything with rubies since you have to keep rthem for CHAC, so one QA is probably enough.
- a QA made immediately after transcending gives you 7 hero souls, and the possibility to claim those interesting mercenary quest. so if it doesnt seem much, it is proportionally very effective when you are at the very beginning.
- a clan reward is 4 souls when first available. same logic.
- warning: the rewards, including relics, you get this way are indexed on your present level. so keeping the rewards for later and claiming it when you have some levels under your belt may be a better tradeoff. do not wait for more than a run, though. mercenaries should not stay idle.
- gold quest reward is the only one that really should be claimed end of ascension.
- relics most useful are those relative to boosted ancients. sya liber sol... having only one level of each is already a big boost once you have enough levels in xyl/pony
- do not wait too long once you have stored that clan reward. dont let another day pass or you wont have it. well, you can kill another, but generally the boss has become too powerful...
-if you cant have syalatas nor libertas, it wil be les useful to spend a QA to get souls. its only advisable to spend a QA only if they are offered as a choice to sumon them ,in the first batch. if not, you can use the tras trick, see in the comments (but it reqires preparation and loading saves)

SECONDARY check list
apart from that some things can help, but dont need to be done just before trans:

- buying a certain amount of "+3 random guilded heroes" : you get a small number of them them back with each normal gild, accelerating your initial gild rate. do not overdo it , though.
- buying gilds just after transcending during your first run, so your first heroes are more efficient, and as it can only go to unlocked hero: it will be on your first ones, speeding each rearly run. this aint recommended either.
- have the +starting click damage achievements: you get them back after ascending once. it seems that in this case, a QA doesnt help, which makes this trick much less useful.
- bugging the developpers for the come back of iris. well, it is more related to ascension than transcension, and totally off topic, but i had to write it.


after transcending, you ll be able to gradually use or get back all of that, which will make you stronger quicker faster better etc...er.
dont fantasize about the efficiency of those.
starting click damage wont help much in the absence if iris, it doesnt reduce enormously the number of clicks neded to get things going. getting more gold per click would be much more useful...

gilds wont help you much as:
- you dont have argaiv
- they are only restored after zone 100
- you cannot choose where they go
- moving them around is proportionaly expensive (you cant waste 80 souls early trans)
all conditions that are precisely met at the begining of your transcension

it s ok to buy some until you have 2-3 gilds restored each 10 zones.
early trans rubies have better use (QA for example), and end trans 3 more gilds will be a limited bost if you already have hundreds.

UP TO YOU NOW
please add your tips in the comment. i ll try to update this post.

[Riddlebox]

Keeping the Guild Raid reward has to be one of the most helpfull h ints here. It has saved me HOURS and HOURS of work between TRANS...

I would not recomend using QA soon after Trans, as it is reset to 0 and just a massive waste of rubies. You can get way more damage just out of recovering your bought guilded bonus to help with damage.

I fully agree with keeping merc loot that is very helfull as well.

[NomiSaltium]

Originally posted by -={D@}=- The009®:

I would not recomend using QA soon after Trans, as it is reset to 0 and just a massive waste of rubies.

Actually, a QA right after transcending gives 7 Hero Souls.

[Riddlebox]

7hs for 50 rubies, It mgith get you started but I can get way more then that just getting to level 110 and not costing me 50 rubies,

3 Guilded in endgame give way more then any small amount of time saved on getting those tiny HS.

[NomiSaltium]

Well, with 7 HS, you can potentially summon Siyalatas and Libertas, and level them up to level 2. That depends on your luck though. Either way, more than double DPS and gold for the first run (with a level 3 Xyl or higher) is a lot more worthwhile than 3 more gilds in the super-late-game when you'll have like 5000 gilds. But that's just me.

[Smile ( - : ]<it helps>[ ; - )]

Originally posted by -={D@}=- The009®:

Keeping the Guild Raid reward has to be one of the most helpfull h ints here. It has saved me HOURS and HOURS of work between TRANS...

I would not recomend using QA soon after Trans, as it is reset to 0 and just a massive waste of rubies. You can get way more damage just out of recovering your bought guilded bonus to help with damage.

I fully agree with keeping merc loot that is very helfull as well.

The QA u buy right after transcending, is not to get 7 HS, but to get access to your mercs, that should be waiting with some nice relic and gold rewards, ready to claime.
I do first ascension in under half hour.

[Bubblez]

Originally posted by Smile ( - : <-----> - ):

Originally posted by -={D@}=- The009®:

Keeping the Guild Raid reward has to be one of the most helpfull h ints here. It has saved me HOURS and HOURS of work between TRANS...

I would not recomend using QA soon after Trans, as it is reset to 0 and just a massive waste of rubies. You can get way more damage just out of recovering your bought guilded bonus to help with damage.

I fully agree with keeping merc loot that is very helfull as well.

The QA u buy right after transcending, is not to get 7 HS, but to get access to your mercs, that should be waiting with some nice relic and gold rewards, ready to claime.
I do first ascension in under half hour.

You beat me to this. ;p

Those 50 rubees will coem in handy if you've set your MERCS up before you ascend...:P So you're not getting JUST 7 souls, you're getting HOURS UPON HOURS of play time cut off your first ascend...

You might get a lot at level 110, but without any of the above tips being done, getting to level 50 will take HOURS.

[Riddlebox]

I do get what you are all saying but to me 50 rubies is not worth 7hs when you can just wait less then an hour to get to level 50 and use your guild reward to get instantly enough to buy any acient that will allow your trans power to help you get to where you need to be again.

I turly don't have any idea why 50 rubies is worth 1 hour of work unless you have a ton of $$ to blow, then buy all means please do not let me stop you from supporting this game :)

Just my thought :)

[K0rkki]

That's a pretty nice check list. Here is some more info/reasoning how to get things going:
-The one QA at floor 1 is highly recommended so that you can open your ancients tab to take a look at the first roll. The QA also opens the mercenaries tab. Anyone who is fine with "save scuming" can now concider loading a save and get the rubies back and hit the transcend button again for a free reroll of the ancients.
-The first thing you want is a way to get to floor 50. Recommended strategy is to summon Siya and/or Libertas or Juggernaut (this one is the fastest but only with either MouseKeys or auto clicker. Normaly idle players can choose this aswell and respec after first ascension. I have done the first ascension within a ~25k combo). Recommended HS used to summon/upgrade at this point: 1-2
-At floor 50 collect your raid reward(s) for extra HS. This is also the point where you want to collect relic rewards worth atleast 5 relics. The reason you did not collect relics on floor 1 right after the QA is that with HZE 1 you will only get level 1 relics with only one modifier on all. With HZE 50(ish?) you will get lvl 3 relics with atleast up to 3 modifiers. This increases your chances of finding what you want and also you get more forge cores out of the extra relics. Again, save scumers can load a save with unclaimed relic rewards for different rolls.

My current transcendense started with only Siyalatas. With 3 levels on Xyliqil outsider and level 1 Siyalatas I got smoothly to floor 50. Claimed 11 relics and one raid reward. After choosing my four relics, salvaging the extras and upgrading I was siting on an effective level 20 Siya, level 6 Solomon (relics only) and 7 levels on Morgulis (relics only). After floor 100 I happened to have Solomon available so I summoned him and leveled him once (effective level 8. without morgulis relic might have upgraded Siya instead). My first ascension lasted rougly 1 h 30 minutes (reasonable time compared to ppl who have had just better rolls with summoning and relics. Some ppl clear first ascension under 30 minutes) with 5 HS invested. Too bad I didn't find Libertas (in relics either) or any extra primals between 100-130 so I ended up with ~1,2k HS (Pony lvl29).

[Kadeeen]

7hs for 50 rubies,

[ViciousCareBear]

.. so... you re implying its too expensive, right?
its been discussed already.
the HS reward is proportional to your level.

actually, at zone 0, 7 HS is much more than what you can hope. remember at zone 100 you earn 1.
7 is already a gift. if it was really proportional, it would be 0.

those souls make you progress as much, or perhaps more as 10^8 would in a late game, because obviously if a QA can bring you that much, it aint a big nulmber for you.

its all psychological.you re reasoning with your late transcension mindset, so its very understandable. still, try to get over it. you just lost everything. those souls you lost are gone for good. you re a poor guy now.

[SPYcorp]

Nice this help alot. I´m on my 2nd Transcend and asked myself how to speed up the first run. To bad i earned todays guild reward and have to wait till tomorrow

P.S. Im short in rubis, so QA is not an option for me but good to know in future.

[Rumpelcrutchskin]

7 HS for 50 rubies is totally worth it to get Siyalatas and Libertas, if you allocated points into Xyligil you are off to flying start instead of wasting your time trying to get into level 140.
Might be even worth spending another 50 rubies when you dont get lucky and cant get Siyalatas and Libertas with first 7 HS.

My first transcend I had 21 AS so dropped 10 into Xyligil and 11 into Ponyboy, spent 100 rubies for two QA, got Siyalatas, Libertas and Solomon and was at level 140 in no time, after first ascension at level 140 things started moving like freight train with no brakes with Solomon raking in HS like no tomorrow.

[Riddlebox]

You have to look at it two ways, someone who uses the save to ( cheat and get the ones they want ) and someone who doenst use it and usually needs quite a few hs to find them.

I don't care if people cheat, hack, save edit, anything like that, its just my personal preference.

[SPYcorp]

Hmm..i have a problem.

Tried several Import (pre Transcent, after Transcend) to see the Ancients i want. But game always present same less useful Ancients after QA. Even re-rolled Ancients are always same. Excluding Jugg all of them are useless for early game.

Did i miss something, like min floorlevel for useful Ancients?

[Nemonical-Yves]

Originally posted by SPYcorp:

Did i miss something, like min floorlevel for useful Ancients?

No special requirements, which ancients you get offered is completely random. But the seed value from which the random number generator rolls its numbers is persistent, so the rolled numbers are deterministic. Therefore, as you have seen, loading and trying again doesn't help. You just have bad luck.

Edit:
A "trick" you can use (I personally don't because of statistics) is to transcend again. The starting seed for ancients gets adjusted as well, so transcending -> QA -> summoning will yield different ancient options. That's deterministic as well, so if transcending once doesn't yield favorable ancients, loading and transcending once again doesn't do it as well. You would need to reload and transcend twice (or thrice and so forth) before using a QA and looking for ancients to see another change.