Beat Zone 30000 After Transcension

[Crimson Hog]

Seriously?

[Ves]

Agree. At first it may seem like mission impossible but seeing how I got 15x more souls in 10 days compared to the souls I got in ~1 year it should be possible at some point. However revive 500 mercs and all merc quests will be really hard to get. Basically the game is no longer 100%-able unless one cheats or spends like a couple of years playing it. Not complaining, just saying.
Edit: Actually it's a bit more than 20x more souls and I haven't played that much. Also I read someone is on their fourth transcension already so they probably got a lot more than that.

[davidb11]

The Revive mercs is really not that hard. Sure it takes a long long time, but that's how achievements should be.
They shouldn't be silly achievements that anyone can get, or almost anyone.
They should be ones you work for.

And yeah, you can still 100% the game, just not quickly.
There's no need to 100% the game though, achievement wise, unless you have serious OCD, like Monk levels.

[Krumpel81]

At first it's a boost. But wait till you reach higher zones. Without Iris your runs will become extremly long and you will reach the point where a run takes a whole day or more to get from 0 to 30.000.
And since 99,99 % of the players don't want to run their computer 24/7 just for this game, they probably will only be able to ascend once a week. And then this game becomes slower than before this update.

[dukec2]

Originally posted by Krumpel81:

At first it's a boost. But wait till you reach higher zones. Without Iris your runs will become extremly long and you will reach the point where a run takes a whole day or more to get from 0 to 30.000.
And since 99,99 % of the players don't want to run their computer 24/7 just for this game, they probably will only be able to ascend once a week. And then this game becomes slower than before this update.

at 500 AS (-7.75 kuma with no relics), it takes 50 secs per 100 floors which means a run to 30k would take 250 mins or just over 4 hrs... not really all day and about the same length as my current runs to 6k (will need to get some more data but ascension time looks almost constant as we progress)

[Krumpel81]

500 AS? I have 41 and most other players don't have much more. My runs are much longer...and even 4 hours would be too much for most people.

[dukec2]

Originally posted by Krumpel81:

500 AS? I have 41 and most other players don't have much more. My runs are much longer...and even 4 hours would be too much for most people.

And you are still early game, zone 30k is a late/end-game acheivement

You must be not paying attention or pushing deep to have runs that long with that few AS

[Krumpel81]

Just not willing to put my whole freetime in one game.

[Falken]

Originally posted by davidb11:

The Revive mercs is really not that hard. Sure it takes a long long time, but that's how achievements should be.
They shouldn't be silly achievements that anyone can get, or almost anyone.
They should be ones you work for.

And yeah, you can still 100% the game, just not quickly.
There's no need to 100% the game though, achievement wise, unless you have serious OCD, like Monk levels.

Holy Smokes, i'll call BS on that one.. "long long time, but thats how achievements should be".. like.. what the actual f**k... Says who? Some are easy, somes are hard but every achievement should make some sense to the gameplay, and adding grinding achievements is a known fact to just make the game hours count towards their advantage.. "Oh ppl play our game 5K hours, they must think its a fun game" ..Or they are just mindless grinding dumb achievements cause the devs dont fully think through how much time we would have to actually put into it, after our almost 2K hours in it already...

There are 1.000's games out there, and for ppl liking to play a lot of games,we dont have time to use 1K hours in EACH game because u want "hard" achievements.. Reality check dude: time consuming achievements ARENT HARD, but TIME consuming, huge different...

[davidb11]

Calm down, way to jump up and down and freak out, and not pay attention to what I said.

What I said was that achievements should mean something.
Yes, there are a lot of easy achievements in games.
Whch annoys me to no small end.

If I am going to go all out for an achievement in a game, it better be something that's worth my time to do.
A lot of games do not give decent achievements.
Some do.
This one is a game that does good acheivements and some terribly silly ones.

You don't have to like what I say, but don't thought police me and say I shouldn't have an opinion on this matter.

[Falken]

Originally posted by davidb11:

Calm down, way to jump up and down and freak out, and not pay attention to what I said.

What I said was that achievements should mean something.
Yes, there are a lot of easy achievements in games.
Whch annoys me to no small end.

If I am going to go all out for an achievement in a game, it better be something that's worth my time to do.
A lot of games do not give decent achievements.
Some do.
This one is a game that does good acheivements and some terribly silly ones.

You don't have to like what I say, but don't thought police me and say I shouldn't have an opinion on this matter.

Well firstly, "jump up and down and freak out?" Really? I'll let u know before i do any freaking out.. You put your opinion down, and i put mine down via the reponds to yours :)

I simply called BS on your opinon about the merc revive, as it makes no sense... and im pretty sure the merc revive is a trick to sucker ppl into buying rubies...

Plus, you agree that this game has some terribly silly ones...and the merc ones arent any of them u consider silly? I would love to hear what ones u consider silly then (I actually would'nt as my guess will be next to a perfect hit) :) .. I'll take a wild guess here, kill 10 bosses or something easy like that would be silly for u..

[Falken]

Originally posted by Froggy Fraggelnos:

Originally posted by Falken:

There are 1.000's games out there, and for ppl liking to play a lot of games,we dont have time to use 1K hours in EACH game because u want "hard" achievements.. Reality check dude: time consuming achievements ARENT HARD, but TIME consuming, huge different...

I'd like to remind you that this is an IDLE game, meant to jump in and out of between doing other things. As David mentioned, achievements differ greatly, some are easy, some are hard. Some are quick and some takes time.

I mean, there are achievements in WoW that require you to do a number of certain achievements between certain times per year. You miss a single one and you won't be able to complete it until next year, and you only have a few days to finish it.

They're only achievements, there is no need to go on a rampage over such a small matter.

Coolio, then i'll remind you back that because its an IDLE/Clicker game, doesnt mean they needed to add the merc achievements.. Is there a rule to the IDLE genre that we need achievements that take years? :S .. And talking about WoW or other games with crappy/Silly achievements, doesnt make this ones valid in any way ... That's the "well they did it, so we have to do it also" mentality.. (I know my share of insane achievements, in time consuming ones)

Lastly.. I read they are working on Clicker Heroes 2 now.. Well why not use these "cool" features for their next game insted of destroying everyones 100% with something we didnt really need.. Achievement Wise..

But to finish this once and for all, you guys think the way you do, and i think the way I do.. So take care,, cheers.

[davidb11]

Well, you don't have to be a douche about it.
That just ends with you being visited by cranky women. :)

Seriously though, you're way overworked about this issue.
Don't worry.
This game isn't worth it for you to be freaking out over.

[TinDragon]

Originally posted by Falken:

and im pretty sure the merc revive is a trick to sucker ppl into buying rubies...

You can think that all you want, but you're wrong. If you use mercs efficiently you'll gain rubies in the long run, not lose them. No purchasing required.

[Falken]

Originally posted by Sneakeh Snake:

Originally posted by Falken:

and im pretty sure the merc revive is a trick to sucker ppl into buying rubies...

You can think that all you want, but you're wrong. If you use mercs efficiently you'll gain rubies in the long run, not lose them. No purchasing required.

Sure no purchasing is required, I never said u had to pay a penny to get what u want.. Doesnt mean im wrong.. (Reviving mercs could have been for a lot of gold or HS but rubies sound better from a biz aspect) But I guess you telling me im wrong, must mean your right, cool beans then :)

That being said, i cant wait for my mercs to die so i can revive them for rubies i could use on something useful. We should compare rubies in 5 years time, it'll be fun :)

[dukec2]

Originally posted by Falken:

Originally posted by Sneakeh Snake:

You can think that all you want, but you're wrong. If you use mercs efficiently you'll gain rubies in the long run, not lose them. No purchasing required.

Sure no purchasing is required, I never said u had to pay a penny to get what u want.. Doesnt mean im wrong.. (Reviving mercs could have been for a lot of gold or HS but rubies sound better from a biz aspect) But I guess you telling me im wrong, must mean your right, cool beans then :)

Due to exponential growth of the game, gold, souls, etc... can not be balanced across all stages of the game and rubies is the only currency that makes sense to use for revives.