The Frostleaf and Dread Knight wall

[sea creature!]

What should I do besides level up earlier game heroes to level 1000? I have 0 hero souls and +83 if I ascend, on level 237.

[sockesocke]

just play and invest the hero souls into the best ancients.

[SealieP]

Instead of spreading your money around on a bunch of heroes, focus on one or a few. There are some that give a better DPS than others, Treebeast, Ivan, Brit, Samurai, Forest Seer, Referi, Ma Zhu, George, Bobby, Mercedes, and Natalia. Focus more on them or one. You can ascend and use those sould to buy some ancients that will help you. I suggest reading some of the strategy guides on builds and help with learning the ancients and how they can really help or Froggy's FAQ which gives some advice too.

[sea creature!]

Originally posted by SealieP:

Instead of spreading your money around on a bunch of heroes, focus on one or a few. There are some that give a better DPS than others, Treebeast, Ivan, Brit, Samurai, Forest Seer, Referi, Ma Zhu, George, Bobby, Mercedes, and Natalia. Focus more on them or one. You can ascend and use those sould to buy some ancients that will help you. I suggest reading some of the strategy guides on builds and help with learning the ancients and how they can really help or Froggy's FAQ which gives some advice too.

Thanks, I heard The Masked Samurai is the best of of these. Should I be using all of my gold on him?

[SealieP]

Originally posted by hypergalaxy8:

Originally posted by SealieP:

Instead of spreading your money around on a bunch of heroes, focus on one or a few. There are some that give a better DPS than others, Treebeast, Ivan, Brit, Samurai, Forest Seer, Referi, Ma Zhu, George, Bobby, Mercedes, and Natalia. Focus more on them or one. You can ascend and use those sould to buy some ancients that will help you. I suggest reading some of the strategy guides on builds and help with learning the ancients and how they can really help or Froggy's FAQ which gives some advice too.

Thanks, I heard The Masked Samurai is the best of of these. Should I be using all of my gold on him?

The cheaper heros are easier to level up and get those 4x bonuses quicker. There are some that seem better than others. Samurai, Ma Zhu, Treebeard, I think Refri and Forest seer. However, if you have gilded heroes that sort of changes things. You should have some. See who has the most and go with that one. If Refri has 7 guild bonuses and the rest one or two, then you know who to focus on.

You can move those guilds around, but I wouldn't suggest it until you have a lot more hero souls. You'd need to ascend to have them to play with and then it takes 2 to randomly reassign one guild. It costs 80 to put a guild on a specific hero from a random hero. So wait until you've ascended a few times then move them to those heros or one that you'll level up the most.

I'd tell you what I did on my very first run through but only as what NOT to do. It took me a while to figure it all out. Now I just level up treebeast until I can get to one of the heros at the end. Your methods sort of change as you move forward.

[Ferrahgo]

wtf u should ascend

[sea creature!]

Originally posted by Ferrahgo:

wtf u should ascend

I did

[davidb11]

IIRC, One of the best pushes is putting your gilds on Masked Samurai for a long time, but that's long after you break through the Dread Knight wall.
For now, the best result has been pointed out, Treebeast gilding will help push towards Dread Knight though, but I would only use the 2 hero soul random gild to push them on Treebeast now.

[sorifiend]

Originally posted by hypergalaxy8:

I did

Whenever the game slows down, or you hit a "wall" then you need to ascend, and if that still doesnt work you need to transcende (see notes below) because you will get a lot more hero souls in the long run, and you will be able to push much higher than if you just keep hitting the wall.

Ascend:
Ascend as soon as things start slowing down (its more effective than waiting until you actually hit the wall) otherwise it will just take you longer and only recieve a minor hero soul bonus and in the long run its not worth it. With the extra souls from repeated ascensions you will have higher level Ancients (Solomon) and will have more hero souls, and you will be able to afford to stack a couple of guilds on one hero for the huge dps bonus (Samurai is best for later on, but ignore all other heros for now and focus on getting Treebeast over 1000 so that you get the 10x damage bonus).

Transcend:
If you are still getting nowhere even after ascending then you need to transcend ASAP and invest your ancient souls for massive bonuses from the outsiders (Getting 10-14 ancient souls is a good target for your first transcendance)

Check out the official info about various zones and heros:
http://steamcommunity.com/app/363970/discussions/0/530649887197512710/

Some other really good info:
Guilds: https://www.reddit.com/r/ClickerHeroes/wiki/faqheroes
Beginners guide: https://www.reddit.com/r/ClickerHeroes/comments/2fkme3/beginners_faq/
Ascension: https://www.reddit.com/r/ClickerHeroes/wiki/faqascension

[davidb11]

Yeah, keep in mind, you're not going to be transcending for a while at the start.
I wouldn't recommend he focuses on that without putting enough Ascensions through to get long past dreadknight.

[sorifiend]

As long as he gets 10+ anchient souls it is worth transcending. The initial bonus you get from Ponyboy and Xyliqil (if auto/hybrid) is massive and quickly beats the few extra hero souls you get form waiting.

[davidb11]

I waited until I was beyond Terra before my first transcendence. There's really no need to rush to Transcendence.
Let people play the game at their own rate.

That said, I haven't played this game in so long I think I'm going to come back to "You have recieved 40 e301 gold." :P
And I'm not even at level 1000 yet after my second transcendence.

[sorifiend]

Originally posted by davidb11:

Let people play the game at their own rate.

Great point, truer words where never spoken.

OP did ask how to break the wall though, and transcending is one of the most efficient ways to do it for a new player (Provided OP has the right number of HS collected to get 10+ AS).

I had a similar mindset of pushing as high as i could without transcending, but at the end of the day a single transcension can yeild 10 times more hero souls for the same time spent (and yes there is some down time getting back to where you where, but it gets quicker each time, especially when using the idle ancients), and by ascending/transcending sooner your HS yeilds are much higher in the long run.

[davidb11]

Good point. Keep in mind, I haven't played this game in quite some time, so my experience is a bit foggy. :)

"I'm old, Dean." Death, Supernatural.
The quote is apt for me as well.

[robotnikkkk]

=HMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

=SO GAMEPLAY IS CHANGING THERE AS I UNDERSTOOD,IT'S ABOUT IT'S NEED TO LEVEL UP THE STRONGEST ONE THEN WHEN U'RE REACHING TO FROSTLEAF,AND LEVELING UP THE OTHERS ONLY WORTHY WHEN NO MORE HEROES TO HIRE AND THAT'S TIME TO ASCEND=......

[sea creature!]

I finally got Dread Knight, thanks to everyone who told me what to do in between Frostleaf and Dread Knight :)