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NekoChan's LetsPlays 2022 年 10 月 13 日 下午 3:08
Danganronpa Tileset and characters?
Hello first of all sorry for my bad english.
I want make a Danganronpa Game with RPG Maker MV. Now i searching for tilesets and Chacters to do it.
At least a monokuma character and maybe the Danganronpa Eyes for the Generator. To you guys know anything for free?

If you only know payment things it should be a one time buy and it should be possible to use Paysafecard ^^
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JohnDoeNews 2022 年 10 月 14 日 上午 10:01 
Danganropa is a copyrighted product. Artists would be in violation sharing those characters, if they made them. So, it will be very unlikely you'll find what you're looking for. And if you do, you would not even legally be able to use it.

If you somehow do find the assets you're looking for, and you want to make a fangame just for yourself, then that is possible. Just make sure you don't pay for the assets, that would be a scam, since you won't be able to legally share your game, let alone sell it.
NekoChan's LetsPlays 2022 年 10 月 14 日 上午 11:31 
引用自 JohnDoeNews
Danganropa is a copyrighted product. Artists would be in violation sharing those characters, if they made them. So, it will be very unlikely you'll find what you're looking for. And if you do, you would not even legally be able to use it.

If you somehow do find the assets you're looking for, and you want to make a fangame just for yourself, then that is possible. Just make sure you don't pay for the assets, that would be a scam, since you won't be able to legally share your game, let alone sell it.
I dont want to share it i only want to make it for me and a couple of friends who helped me with some ideas. The main thing why i want to make it is beacause i want to learn how RPG Maker works befor i make a completle own game. And what is better to learn than a project you love ^^ Its only for me and 2 other real life friends ^^
C 2023 年 11 月 13 日 下午 9:54 
引用自 JohnDoeNews
Danganropa is a copyrighted product. Artists would be in violation sharing those characters, if they made them. So, it will be very unlikely you'll find what you're looking for. And if you do, you would not even legally be able to use it.

If you somehow do find the assets you're looking for, and you want to make a fangame just for yourself, then that is possible. Just make sure you don't pay for the assets, that would be a scam, since you won't be able to legally share your game, let alone sell it.

Thats not true, under US copyright law parody is a protected form of art, assuming you do not attempt to make any money off it and you give credit where credit is due. It would be 100% legal to share such a thing and there is a fair argument to be made that it is protected by the 1st amendment aswell. Sites like Youtube that will allow people to request censorship are only allowed to get away with such censorship because of the heavily questionable legal line they've smudged between "publisher" & "platform". It is rather disturbing that free speech has become a privilege rather than a right in recent days...

TLDR; if you are in the USA its perfectly legal. Do note however; it is also legal for a company to complain at you to a certain degree, but that doesn't happen unless you get big enough!

Anywho, go for it! You might want to learn how to use image editing software, that way you can just edit a screenshot directly into a character portrait or whatever. If you were to learn parallax mapping (theres a good steam guide for that) you could turn a screenshot directly into the map itself taking away the need for a tileset entirely lol... I won't be much good for Danganronpa stuff but ive still got a head on my shoulders when it comes to legal stuff. Good luck out there I suppose.

P.S: Paying for the assets from anyone but the publisher of the game themselves IS a scam. There are probably plenty of free assets (either taken directly from the game itself or replicated from scratch) floating around on dedicated fan websites and such.

P.P.S: (Relating to the legality of buying assets) It's illegal to sell assets that dont belong to you, and it is illegal to buy them from such an illegal salesman, although personally I wouldnt blame the poor sop who fell for the trick the law can be harsh.
kittylitterproduction 2023 年 11 月 15 日 上午 10:10 
引用自 C
Thats not true, under US copyright law parody is a protected form of art, assuming you do not attempt to make any money off it and you give credit where credit is due. It would be 100% legal to share such a thing and there is a fair argument to be made that it is protected by the 1st amendment aswell.
Parody of the final product is protected. This protection does not extend to the assets and resources used to make that product.
JohnDoeNews 2023 年 11 月 21 日 上午 11:31 
引用自 C
Thats not true, under US copyright law parody is a protected form of art, assuming you do not attempt to make any money off it and you give credit where credit is due. It would be 100% legal to share such a thing and there is a fair argument to be made that it is protected by the 1st amendment aswell. Sites like Youtube that will allow people to request censorship are only allowed to get away with such censorship because of the heavily questionable legal line they've smudged between "publisher" & "platform". It is rather disturbing that free speech has become a privilege rather than a right in recent days...

It is certainly copyright violation to draw and share characters designed and developped by another. That is not parody, that is copyright enfringement. And this has absolutely nothing to do with free speech. Are you serious?

Also... Please google what a parody is. Parody does NOT mean you can take copyrighted content, but even if it did, this has nothing to do with parody.

A good parody doesn't use copyrighted content either. They change names, they make characters just a bit different, they make the world around those characters just a bit different. Everyone knows who they are supposed to be, but they are not. That is parody.
最後修改者:JohnDoeNews; 2023 年 11 月 21 日 上午 11:41
C 2023 年 11 月 24 日 下午 9:47 
引用自 JohnDoeNews
It is certainly copyright violation to draw and share characters designed and developped by another. That is not parody, that is copyright enfringement. And this has absolutely nothing to do with free speech. Are you serious?

Also... Please google what a parody is. Parody does NOT mean you can take copyrighted content, but even if it did, this has nothing to do with parody.

A good parody doesn't use copyrighted content either. They change names, they make characters just a bit different, they make the world around those characters just a bit different. Everyone knows who they are supposed to be, but they are not. That is parody.
Ah, my apologies, parody wasn't quite the right word! However it does not change the fact that it will probably be protected under the law for the same reason that parody is.
17 U.S Code § 107 is the law that describes fair use, this is one reason parody receives certain protections, it does not only give protection to parodies however.

Regardless of whether this has anything to do with parody (it might, actually), it will probably be covered under fair use even if it 'draws and shares characters designed and developed by another'. The reason free speech came into this is because 'free expression' is intertwined with "artistic expression" to a very debatable extent, which is worsened by the debatable definition of "art", hehe. So yeah, 100% serious.

If you truly wanted a good prediction of how this situation would end up in court I would recommend studying the case law. These arguments have been around forever.
NekoChan's LetsPlays 2023 年 11 月 25 日 上午 7:06 
I see you guys are Pretty active in debate here. I already startet Developing and i just use the RPG Maker Stuff itself to rebuild Hopes Peak but a bit different (rooms are in Different Location) So i dont need the Tilesets Anymore.

Even Monokuma Should not be a Problem since there are a lot of Parody games out there wich uses Monokuma i will not use Monokuma
kittylitterproduction 2023 年 11 月 25 日 下午 1:47 
引用自 C
引用自 JohnDoeNews
It is certainly copyright violation to draw and share characters designed and developped by another. That is not parody, that is copyright enfringement. And this has absolutely nothing to do with free speech. Are you serious?

Also... Please google what a parody is. Parody does NOT mean you can take copyrighted content, but even if it did, this has nothing to do with parody.

A good parody doesn't use copyrighted content either. They change names, they make characters just a bit different, they make the world around those characters just a bit different. Everyone knows who they are supposed to be, but they are not. That is parody.
Ah, my apologies, parody wasn't quite the right word! However it does not change the fact that it will probably be protected under the law for the same reason that parody is.
17 U.S Code § 107 is the law that describes fair use, this is one reason parody receives certain protections, it does not only give protection to parodies however.

Regardless of whether this has anything to do with parody (it might, actually), it will probably be covered under fair use even if it 'draws and shares characters designed and developed by another'. The reason free speech came into this is because 'free expression' is intertwined with "artistic expression" to a very debatable extent, which is worsened by the debatable definition of "art", hehe. So yeah, 100% serious.

If you truly wanted a good prediction of how this situation would end up in court I would recommend studying the case law. These arguments have been around forever.
The issue is NOT using characters designed and developed by another. The issue is USING THE ACTUAL ORIGINAL GAME RESOURCES.
C 2023 年 11 月 26 日 下午 2:05 
The issue is NOT using characters designed and developed by another. The issue is USING THE ACTUAL ORIGINAL GAME RESOURCES.
The response was not directed towards the argument that you presented, however I think it would still likely be covered under fair use, although it will certainly take the likelihood of a favorable ruling from a judge down a few notches. Ultimately it depends on the majority of the fangame to say whether it is covered by fair use or not, which is an 'undefined variable' so to speak.

Morality & law are two different things and you seem to be arguing the morality side rather than the law side, its not the side I was referring to, but it is an inherently justified side to argue even if the communication of your argument is a bit off.

So to speak from a morality standpoint; I think the morality of using another's assets depends on whether you are profiting off it, whether you are giving proper credit, & how you honor the original creation and creator. From what it sounds like, the game this user intends to make checks all the correct boxes, from moral to legal.
C 2023 年 11 月 26 日 下午 2:08 
I see you guys are Pretty active in debate here. I already startet Developing and i just use the RPG Maker Stuff itself to rebuild Hopes Peak but a bit different (rooms are in Different Location) So i dont need the Tilesets Anymore.

Even Monokuma Should not be a Problem since there are a lot of Parody games out there wich uses Monokuma i will not use Monokuma
I'm glad the problem got solved somehow, even if without my help lol.
JohnDoeNews 2023 年 12 月 2 日 上午 5:31 
引用自 C
however I think it would still likely be covered under fair use

It is not! Stop giving legal advise if you don't know what you talk about. You are putting other developers in danger.

Dude, you can not tell people it is legal to steal and call it fair use. It is copyright infringement and you clearly just twist those rules in your own favor. We explained to you what fair use is and isn't. You don't have to listen if you are stubborn, but stop telling others they can do this legally and risk free.

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Here, man, I did the googling for you:
https://fairuse.stanford.edu/overview/fair-use/what-is-fair-use/

It indeed said you can fair use in a parody, but... in limited and transformative state... You can't just use the exact characters, you have to make them not the same characters, but changing the names, the appearance etc etc.

A parody can indeed take things from the original and use it all over the episode... But that still needs to be transformed.

However sharing assets, is not a parody. it isn't fair use either.
最後修改者:JohnDoeNews; 2023 年 12 月 2 日 上午 5:49
JohnDoeNews 2023 年 12 月 2 日 上午 5:41 
@OP Please don't listen to the advise of law deniers. It is illegal to share copyrighted content, no matter if it is for free or payed. It has nothing to do with fair use and even less with a parody. Sharing copyrighted content, is piracy. And piracy is illegal.

If you do find the assets (illegally shared) then you using those assets in your game isn't illegal. You can use copyrighted content as much as you like, as long as you do it for your own use.

However, this means you will not legally be able to share your project, even for free. Sharing it with your friends or even your mom, would be breaking the law.
C 2023 年 12 月 2 日 下午 2:52 
引用自 JohnDoeNews
Here, man, I did the googling for you:
https://fairuse.stanford.edu/overview/fair-use/what-is-fair-use/

It indeed said you can fair use in a parody, but... in limited and transformative state... You can't just use the exact characters, you have to make them not the same characters, but changing the names, the appearance etc etc.
Your source has been cited & described misleadingly.
The source only proves what I have been saying all along, fortunately it is in an easily digestible format, so you should find it easier to read than what i've taken directly off the lawbooks.
Fangames are inherently transformative, and this law is inherently subjective.

引用自 JohnDoeNews
引用自 C
however I think it would still likely be covered under fair use

It is not! Stop giving legal advise if you don't know what you talk about. You are putting other developers in danger.
Libel to an ironic extent.

引用自 JohnDoeNews
Dude, you can not tell people it is legal to steal and call it fair use. It is copyright infringement and you clearly just twist those rules in your own favor. We explained to you what fair use is and isn't. You don't have to listen if you are stubborn, but stop telling others they can do this legally and risk free.
Strawman with a delicious topping of slander and libel, made complete with a frosting of projection, and the questionably edible filling of a man on his high horse.

引用自 JohnDoeNews
However sharing assets, is not a parody. it isn't fair use either.
Assets are copyrighted material, if you whip out your magnifying glass and try really hard, you might be able to find some obscure reference about how copyrighted materials are affected in the mysterious runes that make up the fair use law. Just a little bit of sarcasm...
but I think its justified, given how the term is literally listed in the first sentence of the source you yourself gave.

引用自 JohnDoeNews
@OP Please don't listen to the advise of law deniers. It is illegal to share copyrighted content, no matter if it is for free or payed. It has nothing to do with fair use and even less with a parody. Sharing copyrighted content, is piracy. And piracy is illegal.
Please see: 17 U.S Code § 107 OR "Fair Use".
*The sources shared thus far have been accurate, even if some of the provided descriptions have not been.

引用自 JohnDoeNews
However, this means you will not legally be able to share your project, even for free. Sharing it with your friends or even your mom, would be breaking the law.
World's lamest 'yo momma' joke.

Summary (2 posts):
Ad hominem = 4
Strawmen = 5
False info = 11
Grammatical error = 8

Conclusion:
You argue on a legal basis that you care naught for, a legal base that does not have the foundation to support your beliefs. Your motives are obviously not borne out of respect for the law, which is fine, but you would be far better suited to argue on the basis of your true motives.
Whether your true motives get beaten down or not, you would grow from it, assuming you can learn from it.
You deny your argument its meaning.
最後修改者:C; 2023 年 12 月 2 日 下午 2:53
JohnDoeNews 2023 年 12 月 12 日 下午 1:09 
引用自 C
World's lamest 'yo momma' joke.

None of this was meant to be funny.

Look, if you want to use copyrighted content, I won't stop you. But if the OP really wants to use copyrighted content, I hardly advise asking an attorney about this before sharing this with others, instead of taking advice from a random guy on the internet who has his information mostly from google. This includes myself. I know this is probably not free, but surely cheaper than a lawsuit.

But that was never the intention of this whole debate... The thing we said was not happening because of copyrights, was the finding of the assets used to even make a game. Making and sharing those assets is in no way a parody or fair use, but plain old copyright infringement. So therefor changes of OP finding those assets are practically zero.

Look, you can say all you want, but I've been around here a long time, and I have seen what can happen when people make fan-games. We know platforms get sued all the time for sharing fan-games with copyrighted content. This is not a myth, this is actually happening. Because fan-games are (mostly) not a parody and they are not covered by fair use.

I advice you to look at this video. This guy does a hell of a job explaining why and how copyrights can ruin your life:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SMZdUBj0YQ

Edit: The second guy in the video (so not the host, but the guest) is an attorney, who is specialized in defending people who are cause using copyrighted content in fan-games. And he will tell you, in this video, that many of his clients were fed info by people online, saying it is not so bad, till they got in trouble.
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NekoChan's LetsPlays 2023 年 12 月 12 日 下午 1:35 
引用自 JohnDoeNews
引用自 C
World's lamest 'yo momma' joke.

None of this was meant to be funny.

Look, if you want to use copyrighted content, I won't stop you. But if the OP really wants to use copyrighted content, I hardly advise asking an attorney about this before sharing this with others, instead of taking advice from a random guy on the internet who has his information mostly from google. This includes myself. I know this is probably not free, but surely cheaper than a lawsuit.

But that was never the intention of this whole debate... The thing we said was not happening because of copyrights, was the finding of the assets used to even make a game. Making and sharing those assets is in no way a parody or fair use, but plain old copyright infringement. So therefor changes of OP finding those assets are practically zero.

Look, you can say all you want, but I've been around here a long time, and I have seen what can happen when people make fan-games. We know platforms get sued all the time for sharing fan-games with copyrighted content. This is not a myth, this is actually happening. Because fan-games are (mostly) not a parody and they are not covered by fair use.

I advice you to look at this video. This guy does a hell of a job explaining why and how copyrights can ruin your life:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SMZdUBj0YQ

Edit: The second guy in the video (so not the host, but the guest) is an attorney, who is specialized in defending people who are cause using copyrighted content in fan-games. And he will tell you, in this video, that many of his clients were fed info by people online, saying it is not so bad, till they got in trouble.


Well as i already said earlyer in this debate is that i dropped my plan about the tilesets. I still make a Danganronpa Like game with my own version of Hopes peak and a death game story like trigger happy havoc. I will use Novel Ai to creat characters for the spirtes. I will not use Monokuma and use only the Official Tilesets and tilesets i find in RPGmakerweb forum. Of course with proper credits. And i think this is a parody fan game because the hopes peak is different from the original i use my own character's and a own story wich only has Danganronpa vipes

Here is a example for the Sprites: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/473221423456845834/1173636300356718642/image.png?ex=658996fb&is=657721fb&hm=9ba92334f0b47be2c8fb250c3e200301b4af9b874101f752c0dbe7575ce6289e&

And this is a example for the layout of the map : https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/473221423456845834/1177746321269067786/image.png?ex=658615bc&is=6573a0bc&hm=796057dd5454e639e53f2c1407fb9afd169230f33d9f16f02c676709783cb62a&

Lift means Elevator its german ^^

And here the original Layout: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/783170373998215188/1184248594899935232/image.png?ex=658b4873&is=6578d373&hm=a8c11ca7a5aa00f5fec88b084766bbe33f9fdf34ef93841b33feb2a0986cf0fe&
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