Upgrade System

[MaBeHo]

I have played the game for more than 50 hours and I have upgraded everything. Why I still only get card of level 1 during the game and even at the beginning of a new game. Second: Why it is ridiculous to olay in the first world at highest difficulty level, but impossible to win in world three at myth. level 2? The game is fun, but I only have played it so long as i had hoped that this strange behaviour (cards and level balance) will be change when I have all upgrades. But it is not so. So my question to the devs: Are these things bugs? Have you ever tested the system on higher levels? And does system considers the number of player during a run?

[Ghoul Hunter]

Upgrading the perks increases the maximum rank that you can reach in a perk. It doesn't improve the base line. This is problematic, because the player will almost never reach beyond tier 2. If they get certain items, that can change, but still it's not very common.

The game gets harder as you progress into further episodes. The episodes are not created equally. That's just how they made it.

[MaBeHo]

I think you are right. So I will stop playing the game, as there are much better other ones without this strange behavior. Maybe I will turn my good review in a bad one because it is really a bad construction that you have to play e.g. 100 hours but you do not become significantly better. In German it is called "Fehlkontruktion". Another thing: The costs of upgrading the skill tree (to make better "flowers") are way to high. You have to do maybe around 100 runs in order to make a flower / gemstone at highest level. The game is good but no one will play 40 hours (100 runs) to reduce one cool down tim for 0,05 sec. or so. This game good be really fantastic, but with this decisions it is just annoying. ok - my hours playing were fun, but the game is miles away from Gunfire Reborn or RoboQuest, e.g. An opportunity wasted - as we say (vertane Chance). Read the review of Sam Soulstice who also playes 50 hours and gives a bad review (all others played the game for less than 5 hours - then they had had enough.)

[Ghoul Hunter]

You're exaggerating a lot there. To upgrade a gem to the max value is 150k gold, which is like 2-3 runs on levels 7-9. 100 runs? That's just incorrect.

Your assessment on cooldown reduction is correct, though. Yellow gems are terrible. You should definitely be doing blues and reds. Greens are useful to reach a certain threshold.

[MaBeHo]

It just takes much too long to level up and the impact is far to little. Devs should realize this and chamge it. Maybe I've exaggerated the time but for me it feels like that and you have to consider that you have to find the gamestones and have to level them up step by step - and this for a minimal improvement. It takes much too long time - that is a fact and I am sure that 99% of players rate it like me. It is a good game, but not a very good game.

[Ghoul Hunter]

150k gold for a 15 damage/armor increase. Base damage is 200 for a maxed out sword. Every gem upgrade is a 7.5% base damage increase. I know games where people work
way harder for a 1% damage increase. You ever played Darktide? That game has toxic progression.

Anyway, I think the grind is a bit too long, as well. They did actually lower the costs to upgrade items and perks by about 90% in the last update. So, maybe we'll see gold costs reduced across the board.

[MaBeHo]

:-)

[Ghoul Hunter]

Some tips for more gold:

1. Upgrade hoarder's boots to orange quality (at the little bird guy in town). When you get hoarder's boots, it will probably be purple or orange quality, rather than green. Levels 7-9 have 2 guaranteed boot pickups, so there is a good chance of getting hoarder's boots there. That small investment will turn a large profit over time.

2. Don't buy anything. Sell items you come across. You can drop multiple things on the selling altars and sell them all at once.

3. There are secrets in the maps with significant gold drops. For example, in the castle, there is a room that is shaped like a square ring with a pit in the middle. If you look into that pit, there's actually a balcony you can land on. A lot of secrets involve dropping into holes. Some secrets are also up high, they might need a double jump or teleport.

4. When you die, you keep what you found. This is good, encouraging design, because you can play high difficulties and progress, even if you lose. When you play the high difficulties, you get better gem drops, too.

[SertanDoom]

Also being maxed out isn't needed to complete Mythic III - just need to be choosy about what you upgrade.

[MaBeHo]

But I do not change my mind. I have just given you some reasons why the avarage rating of this game is not good. And there are many other points too. Just mention one other: You have to do a lot of runs but the but the variability is not high enough for this. But anyway... My 50 hours were fun.

[Ghoul Hunter]

Originally posted by SertanDoom:

Also being maxed out isn't needed to complete Mythic III - just need to be choosy about what you upgrade.

From a solo perspective, I'd disagree with that blanket statement (not sure about multiplayer strats). While you could technically complete this game on Mythic 3 with nothing and never get hit, the reality is that you're going to get hit by something and want to do more than 1 damage a hit.

So, having a max upgraded weapon is the most important thing. Having maxed out gems is also a big difference, since 1 gem is 50 atk/def or +15 atk/def from the previous tier. Having maxed out items is super cheap and increases your overall power gains. The perks are maybe the least important element, and could be considered optional, since it's rare to get past tier 2 in anything.

You should be nearly maxed out before tackling Mythic 3 end game. Items and perks are optional, but they are dirt cheap after the latest update. Might as well get them.

[SertanDoom]

Originally posted by Ghoul Hunter:

Originally posted by SertanDoom:

Also being maxed out isn't needed to complete Mythic III - just need to be choosy about what you upgrade.

From a solo perspective, I'd disagree with that blanket statement (not sure about multiplayer strats). While you could technically complete this game on Mythic 3 with nothing and never get hit, the reality is that you're going to get hit by something and want to do more than 1 damage a hit.

So, having a max upgraded weapon is the most important thing. Having maxed out gems is also a big difference, since 1 gem is 50 atk/def or +15 atk/def from the previous tier. Having maxed out items is super cheap and increases your overall power gains. The perks are maybe the least important element, and could be considered optional, since it's rare to get past tier 2 in anything.

You should be nearly maxed out before tackling Mythic 3 end game. Items and perks are optional, but they are dirt cheap after the latest update. Might as well get them.

I usually solo, agreed on maxed weapons (easiest to get), Gems I tend to go for energy and energy recharge rate. Playing on the harder difficulty levels also help with gem progression as you have a chance at finding better tier gems. Still didn't need to max them out. I'm also less afraid of glass canon than I used to be. I haven't had the chance to try vampiric + the damage bonus that also costs health yet (seems like shrines and things tend to show up less as you get farther into things).

Might be some play style differences here- I tend to be cautious and hole up in a relatively safe spot trying to pick mobs off as they approach while other people seem to charge in and actively hunt them down often taking a beating in the process. They also block my shots.

[Waffles]

Maybe I’m blind but I can’t find the skill trees

[SertanDoom]

Originally posted by Waffles:

Maybe I’m blind but I can’t find the skill trees

The city click on the buildings- The sun disk then constellation for stats.
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