Is there an Imperial Ship that is equivalent to Chaos Planet Killer ?

[kampfer91]

Cus Imperial Battleship looks like toy compare to it , this can not be tolerated :P

[Brother Sharazad]

Hmmmmm Ok, Spoilers for HH novels incomming.

The Red Tear (Blood angels Glorinana Class) Performs a "Exterminatus Extremis" in "fear to tread" - thats reducing a planet to an asteriod belt.

Each Gloriana *and* their supporting fleet could do this.

However, the HH novels are re-writing history untill they are completed, Lexecanum holds true. im saying this becuase they're Still some in active service.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Gloriana_Class_Battleship

The downside is, Thats the Ultrasmurfs. World eaters, and Abbadons personal Flagship. The Vengeful Spirit. (the planet Killer was his flagship in the Gothic war, however the Objective was to steal the blackstones, not knock on Terra's Door. my Person Opinion of this is, We *WILL* see the Vengeful Spirit again. Probably knocking on Terra's Door during the 40k endtimes)

[Ralph The 2nd]

If someone would be kind enough to point me to rules for the gloriana class?
And also if someone would like to show me official models?

[Zero]

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I wish I had saved that copypasta from /tg/ about the whole "we are terrified of researching new stuff" thing the Mechanicus have going on.

But basically?

Mars is full of technology from back when sh*t was super-cash. The problem is that the two times Mars went to war against itself, people released super viruses and cyber-demons that can make your PC quite literally puke demons at your face when you turn them on. This isn´t "technology is heresy because muh thinly veiled references to the Dark Ages", this is "technology is heresy because the next electric toothbrush you try to use may suck your soul".

Say the Mars priests found plans for a battleship that is super awesome in every way, so they work out how to build it, and make it. Two seconds after setting sail, the battleship turns around and proceeds to destroy the orbital station that built it. Then it infects the rest of the fleet with demonic spawn that proceed to devour/possess the crews of the ships. Then the whole fleet goes to Mars and proceeds to bomb the whole place into dust.

That´s how bad things are in 40k, and that´s why everything related to technology is up to the elbows in mysticism and religion. You never know what´s going to happen, and there are very good chances that that funny, cute-sounding "machine spirit" thing they have going on is actually terrifyingly real.

The machine spirits do exist, and only mars can properly build and awaken them. That being said, at least one STC has been corrupted by chaos, but an uncorrupted STC is a rare thing, a single full STC database could bring the imperium back to its pinnacle, if there are any left. And if mars would even release it for use in the first place...

oh god please dont mention the Matt ward Mary sues of space marines.

[wikkyd]

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Cus Imperial Battleship looks like toy compare to it , this can not be tolerated :P

While there is the Phalanx, there is a ship class that's Horus Heresy old, it's called an Ironclad, I think there's only 3 in existence?

[Gobboman]

Ralph The 2nd님이 먼저 게시:

If someone would be kind enough to point me to rules for the gloriana class?
And also if someone would like to show me official models?

There are none. Only some drawings and text-excerpts. Most of them got toasted in the Heresy. Abaddon still has Vengeful Spirit, but keeps it hidden somewhere. Angron's Conqueror is around too, but Angron is too busy being Angron to use it. And of course the pretty boy Ultramarines have Macragge's Honour all ready and pristine, but appearently just don't use it to own everyone.

Planet Killer is pretty much built in violation of reality, and most likely powered by the warp through both technology and rituals. The Imperium can destroy planets if they want, but usually do it with battle groups or specialist munitions that need more red tape than Terra produces in a year to deploy. Why build a super ship when you can just use many smaller ships? Especially when your super ship gets rammed into 18 torps, or what say you Abaddon?

The biggest Imperial vessels are the mobile space stations. Dark Angels have the Rock. Imperial Fists have Phalanx. Fire Hawks had the Raptorus Rex, until it had a Warp 'accident'. The Ramilies star forts can warp jump as well.

[Queco Jones21]

In short. No.

The planet killer was built in the warp and the Imperium will never risk themselves just to build a ship.

The Gloriana class was just a really big battlebarge. It was meant to assault defences and get its space marines into combat. Not to destroy worlds.

Most Imperial ships, if armed with cyclonic torpedoes, can cause an exterminatus. They shoot torpedoes to destroy worlds. And this is only in extreme cases.

The planet killer shoots a giant laser using warp energies. So they are not on the same level. And so, the Imperium will never have a ship like the planet killer.

[Jerroser]

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Ralph The 2nd님이 먼저 게시:

If someone would be kind enough to point me to rules for the gloriana class?
And also if someone would like to show me official models?

There are none. Only some drawings and text-excerpts. Most of them got toasted in the Heresy. Abaddon still has Vengeful Spirit, but keeps it hidden somewhere. Angron's Conqueror is around too, but Angron is too busy being Angron to use it. And of course the pretty boy Ultramarines have Macragge's Honour all ready and pristine, but appearently just don't use it to own everyone.

Not many of the Gloriana's were confirmed destroyed during the Horus heresy but like wise only the ones you mentioned are confirmed to definatly still be around. Most of them have unknown fates, so they might still be in use somewhere by their Chapters/legions or could have been destoryed at a later date some time between the Heresy and 41st Millennium.

Its also worth noting that perctically every Gloriana was unique with armaments and even hull shape modified to match the fighting style of the Legion it was assigned to.

[crazysblah10]

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The machine spirits do exist, and only mars can properly build and awaken them. That being said, at least one STC has been corrupted by chaos, but an uncorrupted STC is a rare thing, a single full STC database could bring the imperium back to its pinnacle, if there are any left. And if mars would even release it for use in the first place...

Machine Spirts are nothing but either VI or when they use the brains of animals to controll things. Unless your referncing The spirt of the dragon in a bunch of mars stuff the machine spirit is nothing more then crazy people whorshiping windows vista.

Not at all, there at at least 2 books lore wise where humans interact with machine spirits and they respond. Book 1: The gildar rift. The space marines attempt(and so far successfully) to in tegrate a man into full control of a space ship. Book 2: Baneblade, at one point the priest actually talks to the machine and it responds, also a baneblade commander speaks to a machine and it works. One could also argue titans house machine spirits as they are forced to impose they're will over the machine to control it and make it do what you want. Granted windows vista is the same, but you get my point lol.

[Harukage]

Machine spirits are certainly a thing. Different machines have different tempers and preferences. People who interact with old and powerfull machine spirits through neural interfaces are often influenced by them. Like titan princeps and IK noble pilots. For example Knights Galant machine spirits are often too brash and brazen, Knights Errant have aggressive and restless machine spirits, while machine spirits of ancient Knights Acheron are bloodthirsty and destructive, well known to break minds of weak willed pilots.

[RenegadeKnight]

I always figured machine spirits were just primitive ai, thus why they can be talked to and interacted with. Not men of iron level ai, but something smart enough to drive itself as has been known to happen from time to time.

[Democracy Officer Shmoogy]

ive learned from reading these posts

[wikkyd]

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ive learned from reading these posts

You can learn more on the lexicanum, just search a random piece and open new tabs on highlighted words, I've learned quite a lot

[Harukage]

As one of the Gaunt's Ghosts books showed, the problem with the Men of Iron is that THEY ARE CORRUPTED BY CHAOS instantly right after they are produced. I do not realy think it is a problem of AI. Alas people who fough the Men of Iron in a distant past proly knew nothing of Chaos.
Machine spirits though, they are worshiped as the parts of Omnisiah. By that point alone, they might as well be true spirits. Also they often show too high of an intelligence and even emotions. Those are not the traits of simplest of AIs. Machine Spirits also can make machinery work under impossible conditions, wich is also not a trait of AI.